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When you enlarge the pictures of each coin, you can see filing marks across the surface of each coin.
The 1877 just looks off. Look at the blending of the feathers and headband.
Look at her lips and eye

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Angelina Jolie lips!
And yeah--those feathers came off a real turkey.
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I would have been fooled by them.
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I would have been fooled by them.

And that is the idea. Possibly the majority of people would not have any idea of what a fake coin is, nor why they are made except to make a large profit. And many would be amazed at how many collectors and even dealers may have fakes and not know.
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Spend some time looking at IHCs in various stages of wear, and you'll detect that fake with one eye. It's lame and laughable.
I have a hunch that people are starting to fashion fakes of key coins w/extensive wear--to deliberately fool the TPGs, then sell. Good luck.
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I probably would have avoided both coins because the IHC was obviously affected by chemicals, and the Quarter clearly had been scraped up in an unnatural way, but actually determining they were fake instead of just being exposed to unusual damage would be a tough call for me.
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Those look pretty bad to me. I only know Barber quarters by pictures, and I don't think that would have fooled me. Is it even made out of metal? The IHC is not even close; I think somebody made it out of play-dough.

I tend to automatically assume fake on any of these serious rarities until shown otherwise. The thing that worries me is the potential for faking semi-key coins that are likely to get less scrutiny. I know even common Morgans are being counterfeited. Would somebody fake, say, a 1925-D Mercury dime?
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The thing that worries me is the potential for faking semi-key coins that are likely to get less scrutiny.

Less scrutiny than an 1877 IHC. What also concerns me--if/when the better forgers turn their attention to colonials and early coppers.
Many bring good money in lower grades, where duplicating that level of detail might be easier than an IHC or Morgan $1.
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Not only the bust, but the size and style of the letters on the obv tipped me off as well; they look a little too large and the tips of some of them look too rounded, especially in "America". Would never have fallen for this one, or that gross-looking Barber.
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Less scrutiny is right. Fake an 1871 or 1869 in say VF-XF and you still make $.
It's a sad commentary on what parts of our hobby has become, but people need to be aware of it. Does not look like we are stopping it anytime soon.
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You could always use it as hole filler in your Dansco.
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Good article, thanks for the link. I've seen that hot lips IHC before, apparently that's a common die for the fakes.
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