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The Rumors Of My Death Have Been Greatly Exaggerated

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 Posted 09/07/2011  5:11 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mkfarm to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Of course we are talking about money including the US dollar.

When you look at the history of money it has certainly had its great storms to weather. In fact over the past few thousand years it has had far greater challenges than it currently faces now. History has a way of putting a true perspective to the current situation.

There will always be a hard line group of supports talking about the coming doom and actually wishing that it will happen now. It is like the parent that wishes another player will suffer a major injury so their child will get a chance to play. Some have more political reasons for wishing the failure. However it is all the same.

Money was invented prior to the Fed like most people wnt you to believe. In fact it was thousands of years ago and believe me it had to go through many crises during its long history. Some interesting facts on the history of money are certainly unique. AT one time in England mint masters got the worse end of the deal for poor quality coins. They lost their hands as punishment. In 275 AD Rome raised the value of gold coins and the result was a rebellion and 7,000 dead Roman soldiers.

So what happens if the global financial system did fall apart? If money is not accepted what would we use? We all know that there is not enough gold or weapons to permit everyone to supplant money as a trading currency. How many people have anything to barter with? Certainly with few exception no one is capable to grow their own food supply. After all everyone is still going to need to eat.

History has proved that even with a struggle or breakdown it doesn't mean the end on money as the primary means of exchange. Inflation or deflation of currency is a natural cycle.

No I don't think we will see the end of money in my life time and yes the dollar will make it though it might be a different color but it will be here for a very long time.
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 Posted 09/07/2011  5:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ljenkins990 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When the Salvation Army bell-ringers outside Wal-mart every Christmas start posting signs that they accept only plastic, then I'll believe cash is doomed. Otherwise, it's here to stay, although it is a smaller part of our overall commerce every year.
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 Posted 09/07/2011  5:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah they may change the color or name, but the sun still rises every day. People have to get up an start pecking like a robin does each day, like my grandfather always said. She gets up an starts working for food, or her an all the family does not survive....
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We all know that there is not enough gold or weapons to permit everyone to supplant money as a trading currency.

Actually, we do not know this. Let's not compare the massively inflated dollar prices for everything and then say, "Nope, there just isn't that much gold in the world". OK, so there isn't. But does there have to be? If a decent car cost $36,000 in FRNs does that mean we need more than 20 oz. of gold at the current price to be its equal? Somehow, I don't think so. Same with silver. A $1 90% silver coin is now worth around $32. If you get a gas bill for $64, two silver dollars could pay that bill. Yeah, we would all have to get used to smaller numbers for our pay and our bills but that's not a big problem, is it?

Like paper money, circulated gold and silver money passes from one hand to the next, effectively doing more financial work than its amount would suggest. Some economists say that there is about a 7:1 factor in money expansion simply from its use. Consider this effect as well when thinking about whether or not there is enough gold or silver to do the job. If not, then we also have other metals that might be impressed... platinum, palladium, and even non-monetary metals, such as tin and titanium might be useful as money.

Another thought is that if paper money were to be partially backed by gold or silver, would this not be MUCH better than no backing at all? Say we were to back a new US dollar with 10% of its denomination in gold or silver. That would likely achieve the same results towards limiting deficit spending and the over-printing of unbacked money. Even that small amount of hard money backing would provide at least some control over the printing presses.

The governments of the world could always decide to revalue gold to a much higher figure when doing currency conversions. Yes, the likelihood of them all agreeing on anything is pretty remote... but it could happen, especially if they were faced with numerous currency collapses and a terrible worldwide depression as the immediate consequence of not doing it.

The recent strength in the dollar does not stem from any fundamental improvement in the US economy, rising US interest rates, or the removal of dollars from the US money supply. What we are seeing here are the small "relief" rallies that occur after individual economic problems SEEM to be fixed or at least addressed. These can come unraveled as fast as they came to be, so let's not pin too much hope for the future on what are likely to be temporary moves upward in the dollar. I don't see any reason at this time to be enthusiastic about holding US dollars, other than the amounts we need to pay our bills. That could change, of course, and most of us here hope that it will. Hope, however, is not a plan.

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 Posted 09/07/2011  8:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mmerlinn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There will always be money in some form, whether fiat paper, gold, silver, Easter Island stones, beads, or whatever.

And, no matter which form the money is in, there will always be sufficient in circulation for any type of transaction. The only difference is that you will need to think in terms of what that money will buy, NOT WHAT SOME GOVERNMENT SAYS WHAT THAT MONEY IS WORTH.
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 Posted 09/07/2011  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JackB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Are you saying we are headed for chaos?


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You missed the important part. It is called food and while people have been watching gold they have severally missed the important part that is going on in the world.

It is right in front of you -it is DIRT.

Yes the most important investments have not been PM but it has been dirt.

China has been very active almost too active but they still are under the radar of most people. They have been aggressively buying farm land in Africa, Australia and Eastern Europe. That is what happens when you have 20% of the worlds population and only 7% of the worlds arable land. Even Morgan Stanley bought 40,000 hectares of farmland in Ukraine.

Toss in the end of cheap oil and eating will no longer be a free ride.

Money is an invention, which is only a symbol of that which it suppose to represent. The genius of the invention is that we all believe it is the actual thing of value regardless what it is or is not backed by. So what does it matter it could be back by dirt and at least it has a value that just isn't perceived.
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I'm thinking that while the dollar is gaining ground it maybe a good time to open my savings account in a Canadian bank.
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I was thinking about investing in RMB.
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I believe you are confusing those folks who 'prepare' for hard economic times and a possible collapse for people who are wishing it true. I do not know ANYONE wishing that our world as we know it would end...but I do know good people who are preparing for many possibilities, as we all should.

Also, I wouldn't be investing in ANY fiat currency right now, unless you know what you are doing and it is for the short term.

Gold and silver are not printed by governments or made by man. They are free from political whims and that is why we own them.

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 Posted 09/08/2011  03:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is no need for all currencies to be convertable into gold (silver, oil...). As long as you can easily swap one country's oil for another's gold or silver, each country's currency can be backed by a different commodity. No different than trading yurros for USD or francs for yen with one tiny (and necessary) difference.

Being backed by commodities including PM, you eliminate the printing press problem. Money will again represent work: drilling, mining, etc.

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