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 Posted 09/14/2011  10:45 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi everyone.
I just got this coin.

It's Hadrian..Africa

Does anyone know why she's holding a scorpion?

What's the story behind that and the basket of fruit on the reverse?

Thanks.

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 Posted 09/14/2011  11:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coin.
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 Posted 09/14/2011  11:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wish I knew the story behind the reverse, but alas I'm ignorant. I will look it up tomorrow if someone else hasn't. I just wanted to tell you you have a very nice coin. I don't think I have any "Africa" coins. Hint hint

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 Posted 09/14/2011  11:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks,

I still don't know much about what I'm doing, but this one seemed to be going rather cheap on ebay so I bid and got it.
I was surprised!
I'll look for the story too.
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 Posted 09/14/2011  11:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A very nice and interesting coin - I've added one to my 'wanted list'. I love coins like this as they hide so many meanings within the subject mater. I also love medieval art for the same reason.

This denarius commemorates Hadrian's second tour of Africa. Apart from Egypt, Africa was the second largest supplier of grain to Rome and thus of great strategic significance.

I think the basket at her feet (I'm assuming she is Africa personified?) is holding ears of corn, in-line with the above statement, even if it is fruit its still an analogy for plenty.

I'm not sure why she is holding the scorpion aloft? I think she may also be wearing an elephant skin hat!
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 Posted 09/14/2011  11:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dougsmit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Africa is personified as 'wild and dangerous' by either a snake, lion or scorpion and 'bountiful', here by both the basket and cornucopia but the big tip off it is Africa is the elephant skin head dress.
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 Posted 09/14/2011  11:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Doug.

It looks like it could be from a set! Heres Egypt:

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How have I never come across these before, they are fantastic!
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Well, I thought it may of had something to do with mythology, but never the less I like the imagination of the designer...

"I think I'll just put a big scorpion in her hand, that'll do the trick."


Also... Darn it bobbyhelmet, now I'll have to get one of those too......and maybe more!
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 Posted 09/15/2011  12:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I think I'll just put a big scorpion in her hand, that'll do the trick

Haha

My 'wanted list' is also +2 now
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 Posted 09/15/2011  01:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A bit more info - These are from a set called the Hadrian travel series.

They commemorate the emperors travels around the empire and show personifications of many places.

It features a number of coins but the most interesting (subjective) are prob the following:

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Hispania reclining left, holding branch, rabbit at her feet

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Ocean reclining left, resting elbow on dolphin and holding anchor

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Egypt reclining left, holding sistrum and resting elbow on basket of grain, ibis at her feet

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Africa reclining left, wearing elephant-skin headdress and holding scorpion and cornucopia, basket of fruits at her feet

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Nilus reclining right, holding reed and cornucopia, hippopotamus before him, crocodile in waves below



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 Posted 09/15/2011  08:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Now you've done it! I, like the others, will be hunting down this series of coins. They are nice.

BTW, I lied when I said I didn't have any Africa coins. I have one, although she is standing and not reclining. She holds ears of grain to represent the continent as the bread basket of Rome. Its a Sep. Severus RIC 207a:




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 Posted 09/15/2011  11:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yours is a lot like some of the others in the Hadrian 'travel series' JW. Mainly personifications in the more traditional poses. There is however a few showing the ship Hadrian travelled on and also (I think) some buildings.

Hes also had some very nice Britannia coins, one I'd never seen before with her in a reclined position holding a wheel, cant seem to find the link though! Also not sure if it was from the 'travel series'?
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 Posted 09/15/2011  2:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JackB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These are all such beautiful coins, and kudos for your photos. Makes me want to own some ancients!
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 Posted 09/15/2011  3:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Its a great hobby for sure. But, as I've said before, very addictive!

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 Posted 10/18/2011  08:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I came accross this the other day - Its a late 19th century coin from Spain. The style is an unmistakable nod towards the Hispania Travel Coin. It made me wonder how many other countries have modern coins inspired by or are clear descendants of Roman coins. I know the UK still has Britannia but couldn't think of any other examples.

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The style is an unmistakable nod towards the Hispania Travel Coin.

Absolutely. One clear and deliberate difference is of course the turreted crown Ms. Hispania is wearing, indicating she's a Republic.

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It made me wonder how many other countries have modern coins inspired by or are clear descendants of Roman coins. I know the UK still has Britannia but couldn't think of any other examples.

Many of the coins issued by Italy have clear ancient analogues, either from Roman or Magna Graecian coins.
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