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Is This An Over-Assayer?

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 Posted 09/16/2011  10:54 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add TwoKopeiki to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Picked this 1810 HJ at NEN and noticed what looks like an overassayer HJ/TH. Coins with both assayer initials were used in 1809 and 1810 and I owned a very clear example of HJ/TH on an 1809 issue (pictured below).

Thoughts?

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Close-up of the assayer initials.
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And here's the 1809 I sold a while back.
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 Posted 09/16/2011  9:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like just a piece of slag on the surface, like the two on either side of the H. That bit has the general shape of a J, but it's much too small to be of the font struck on these coins.
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 Posted 09/16/2011  11:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jfransch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is a known variety 1810 Mo HJ/TH. Your coin looks to be one, all the ones I have seen, including my own copy are very faint overassayer. Usually just the extremes of the H show.
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Thanks, guys. I will send it to NGC as misattributed and see what they come back with.

This makes me wonder about the process of reworking the dies in a situation like this. Would they fill-in the old assayer with a softer metal, polish off the surface, and punch the new initials in? If this was the case, it could explain why the undertype is just a thin outline. Softer metal during strike would give-in slightly under the pressure of the strike, resulting in a faint raised surface.
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