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 Posted 09/17/2011  09:19 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
From a link posted in another thread:

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Economics teaches that monopolies produce fewer goods and sell them at a greater price than in a competitive market. This leads to inefficiency, deadweight losses, and over time complacency on the part of the monopolist. Most mainstream economists fail to extend the theory of monopoly to the market for money. Government monopolization of the issuance of money fails to produce the sound money the market demands. The poor-quality money that is issued continues to lose its value, and the American people must work longer and harder for money that continues to decline in purchasing power. Meanwhile, government agencies and the banking system benefit from the first use of that money, being able to spend it and lend it before it circulates through the rest of the economy and before prices increase in reaction to this inflation.


Interesting. Allow the gubmint a monopoly to create money, and you get a poor product.
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 Posted 09/17/2011  12:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkfarm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Fred this and the other are basically from Ron Paul, I believe you may be able to find the on a publication called the constitutional tender. If I remember right both this phrase and the other by Keynes in in it and comes from his speech on HR1098.

Economics is a funny thing and certainly no one has mastered it. Sometime something that sounds so good, true and simple can at the same time be dangerous and devastating to the economy.

The issue has always been finding a combination that works the best. Remember some times the fix is worse than the problem just like the grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence.

My problem has always been about people that are so sure they are right. They never look outside that bubble thus they miss important parts.

We certainly have had a lot of Ron Paul lately and for me he is too one sided with out any thought to the after results. He isn't alone there are certainly those in the FED and other government division that are just as bull headed.

Just remember never rush to what appears to be the best answer in the wake of current problems. History has shown those that speak a good game during this time draw fanatic supporters lead their country to ruin.

That is why I like to wade through the sound bites and study the problem and issues from many points of view.
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Mkfarm, I agree. One of my favorite quotes, ( I'm not sure of the author) is, "If you do not know History it is like being born Yesterday."
Fred, do you really think there are that many people making American products that they do not believe in. I believe differently in my opinion.
I'm not sure what "gubmint' you are talking about.
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That's the theory, alright, but the application sometimes is not what we hope it will be. When we had the Ma Bell telephone monopoly, we had excellent service that was the envy of the world. Rates were low and product quality high. Heck, we could even read AND understand our 1/2 page phone bill. Now that we no longer have this evil monopoly, we have lousy service, high prices, and a bill of 6-7 pages that few can understand. I guess some would call that progress. I, however, would not.
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Bell labs was also one of the finest telecommunications/computing R&D labs in the world. $ saved from having to advertise and compete can sometimes be put to good use too
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Inflation is not a modern phenomenon. It was one of the factors that led to the downfall of the Roman Empire, with the debasement of the antoninianus.

Inflation ranged as high as 4% per year, which was ruinous for many people and businesses, and ultimately for the Government as well.

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I'm not sure what "gubmint' you are talking about.


Uxually federal, especially as makers of fake fiat money.
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. When we had the Ma Bell telephone monopoly, we had excellent service that was the envy of the world. Rates were low and product quality high. Heck, we could even read AND understand our 1/2 page phone bill. Now that we no longer have this evil monopoly, we have lousy service, high prices, and a bill of 6-7 pages that few can understand. I guess some would call that progress. I, however, would not.


I'll agree, but only in part. Ma Bell literally wrote the book on customer service (rewritten by ebay), but you paid dearly for it. The minimum charge for a US-UK call was $27, and required jockeying through an operator to get an open line. Now it's a few cents, and if you're using googlefone, includes live video.

Silvertowne in the 80s had a four-digit phone # you gave the operator, and after three minutes, you were disconnected.

I can remember when ATT said it would take 40 years to upgrade to fiber optics. Sprint said "we're ready now", and suddenly, 40 years shrunk to four.

I can also remember businesses paying 8ยข per outgoing local call after the first 20 per month, and much higher phone bills. My current bill is about $67 a month (on a page and a half), including business line, yellow page listing, and 1.5MB dsl.
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It wasn't always like this. In the early days of our country there were competing currencies. Now it is illegal to intoduce a competing currency.
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, prorider0!
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The minimum charge for a US-UK call was $27, and required jockeying through an operator to get an open line. Now it's a few cents, and if you're using googlefone, includes live video.

Maybe the biggest part of the problem there was on the UK end?

I never needed to make any trans-Atlantic phone calls, so this was not relevant to me. Local service was excellent and the prices reasonable.

Yes, folks, there ARE times when I really DO miss (some of) the "good old days".

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Friends of mine who had to make a toll call from their house to the barn might disagree.

We have regulated cable locally. Another friend can't get cable, her property abuts the cable co's, and she can see their center from her kitchen.
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Meanwhile, government agencies and the banking system benefit from the first use of that money, being able to spend it and lend it before it circulates through the rest of the economy and before prices increase in reaction to this inflation.


That is the single biggest reason that the Government CANNOT cut spending to equal income.

They must spend the money first, so they spend it before deflation kicks in. They lose and the poor win.

With borrow and spend, they spend it before inflation kicks in. They win, the poor lose, and the rich get blamed.
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