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Silver is currently at $30.50 and gold below $1650 an ounce.
Tried finding some articles about why this is happeneing, but can't. If anyone has some information please post it.
With these big drops, does anyone plan on trying to take advantage of this?
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Not yet. When it gets deep into the 20s, then I will start buying again. If it finishes in the 30s, I might go through the bucket at the coin shop and see if there is anything worthwhile though.
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I saw that earlier today. Whats going on? It hasn't dropped that fast in a while.
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this is a copy and paste from the Wall Street Journal Quote:
NEW YORK--Precious metals posted deep losses as investors continued to leave the market in favor of cash.
Silver was the hardest hit, dropping 18% because of its additional role as an industrial metal.
Comex silver for September delivery dropped $6.4870 to finish at $30.051 a troy ounce. It was silver's worst dollar-decline since 1980, the year the Hunt brothers of Texas were forced to liquidate their silver positions after attempting to corner the silver market. At the time, silver tumbled from a record $41.50 to around $12 in just three months.
"Silver had a double impetus on the upside, when the economy was still looking good and you had investment demand and industrial demand," but the metal faced double the pressure when prices reversed course, said George Gero, a vice president with RBC Capital Markets Global Futures.
Silver is used in everything from glass and solar panels to high-end electronics and CDs.
Silver finished Thursday down 9.6% and added to those losses Friday, with declines accelerating late in the day, as some investors faced margin calls from their brokers. Investors typically put down a fraction of the futures contract's value as collateral to trade silver futures. Known as margin, this amount must be topped up when prices move against the trader.
"You will have margin liquidations on these kinds of moves," said Frank McGhee, a precious-metal dealer with Integrated Brokerage Services.
As prices fell, many traders took short positions, meaning they sold silver with the plan to profit by buying it back at a lower price.
"The hedge funds, the big macro funds...there were quite a few traders who were not just liquidating long positions but selling short," said Mike Frawley, head of metals trading at Newedge.
Silver's slide underscores the fact that silver is a more volatile asset than gold, mainly because the market is much smaller.
"It's thinner, there are less worldwide interests in silver than there are in gold," Mr. Gero said.
The gold contract for September delivery lost $101.70, or 5.9%, to settle at $1637.50 a troy
--Jerry A. DiColo contributed to this article. |
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Still above $1600. I call that a win in this market. Short action is bound to be huge on Monday though. It would be great to crush the shorts, but there is plenty of FEAR involved here. If we go to $1000 I'm buying gold faucets like Trump.
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If I had the capital I would start buying a little at $30, and pick up steam the lower it goes.
Ag obviously.
Edited by bjones
09/23/2011 5:22 pm
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People are wanting cash, but why?
With the threat of a Greek default, folks want cash so they can get out of dodge if need be, buy food and other investments.
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People are wanting cash, but why? Margin calls, plain and simple. If you bought stocks or commodities on margin (OPM) and they go against you, you MUST provide MORE cash to the broker OR liquidate at a loss which also requires more cash. You have no choice. The broker WILL liquidate ANYTHING in your account if you don't provide the cash. Anything includes silver and gold. And if you have physical PMs, but no cash to cover the calls, you will "VOLUNTARILY" sell them to cover your obligations. In 1997 I saw several investors liquidate their paid-for homes to meet margin calls. They had nothing else of value to cover the $100,000 margin calls. This is one of the main reasons PMs tend to crash at the same time stocks crash even though the fundamentals of the PMs would dictate otherwise. Quote:
If I had the capital I would start buying a little at $30, and pick up steam the lower it goes.
Ag obviously. After today's drop I am seriously thinking about starting to buy in as silver legs down. Not sure I have enough capital yet to leg in properly though. Edited by mmerlinn
09/24/2011 02:22 am
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After today's drop I am seriously thinking about starting to buy in as silver legs down. Not sure I have enough capital yet to leg in properly though. I'm thinking that this is an excellent buying opportunity. If so, then it will be better to DO SOMETHING even if it is not perfectly executed. Even if it turns out that you could have made more money via a change in your strategy, the important aspect is to invest what you can when the opportunities present themselves. Never let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Good really is good enough.  |
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I agree with the previous posters. Now, (Monday) is an excellent time to buy silver. I would buy the physical. I would just avoid the leveraged ETF transactions.
Watch $27 per ounce, if it stabilizes, above that number, even short term, money in silver will be profitable very quickly. If the powers that be can somehow force it BELOW $27, I'd hold off until, it bottoms, and starts to move up again.
Not even nitroglycerin is as volatile as the silver markets!
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Gold and Silver went ballistic to open the Eastern Mkts this evening. Wow, What will happen?
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Not even nitroglycerin is as volatile as the silver markets! Actually, nitroglycerin is an oily liquid that does not evaporate very quickly at all. It DOES go BOOM!, though, if not handled carefully. |
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Edited by GoThunder
09/26/2011 10:55 pm
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IF your buying silver on ebay right now, it's going for $37/oz. shipped on most auctions, still a bit pricey for me. I guess, when you look back, not to long ago where we were paying $10-20 oz. it seems high. If I could find silver for anything close to spot prices I'd probably pick some up, but these metals are getting like the housing market, always a premium, someone has got to make something off of it somehow, and if you want to hold that coin in your hand by golly your going to pay extra for it. |
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I still think the book is still open on very short term silver. It's up a bit today, but not as much as some people predicted. Some think it's gonna fly right back to 40. Others, me included, are thinking it will drop back down to the high 20's, who knows.
As far as selling it (or trading it), I'm gonna have some BU silver washingtons (common date) for trade once I hit 250 posts regardless of where the price of silver is. Look out everybody :)
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Better buy quick as Silver will be going up as quick as it went down...$40 by this Friday?,,,Maybe $50 or $60 by November..The East Coast freakies needed a cash fix last weekend, they were suffering a serious Jones...
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Posted 09/23/2011 3:47 pm
and bought SLV puts to hedge my physical silver. Hoping to buy the SLV back lower. I do also have some way out of the money call options in SLV for a straddle.
