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Valued Member
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some o each really
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Stocks - which ones?
Same Q? with guns, antiques, bonds, etc
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Part of one of the categories listed has increased at least 2x if not 2.5x in the last couple of years, bullets (not loaded ammo) and ammo (quality, brass cased).
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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If you are going to invest for a period of 20+ years, I think stocks would most likely do the best. Here is something to think about. Not sure about the year but if I remember correctly AT&T has been paying out dividends for over 100 years. Continuously throughout all depressions, recessions and/or whatever the eonomy is or was. Their stocks split, separated into smaller companies, recouped back to massive companies, make a profit on anything they do. If you have a company like TDAmeritrade and you have AT&T, you can have them reinvest your dividens back into buying more of those stocks. In 20 years or a million, AT&T will probably still be here and making money. And in the future they may own the entire world. There was a movie some time back about a company that was watching everyone. They called it the PHONE COMPANY, so as not to have their phones cut off I think. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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If you look at changes in stock prices vs. precious metals prices over time it is clear that stocks are the clear winner for pretty much any time frame outside of our latest economic trouble. Despite what most people might think stocks were doing fantastic from early 2009 until about the middle of this year. Shortly after this most recent stock dip precious metals went down too. Also, if you know what you are doing with stocks you can make much higher returns than the Dow Jones average.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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If you have a company like TDAmeritrade and you have AT&T, you can have them reinvest your dividens back into buying more of those stocks. The magic of compounding. |
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United States
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When my uncle passed and I received his coins, I saw it as an investment from him. However man did I get bit from the coin bug ha ha. I still look at it as an investment, but it looks like I also have a new hobby.
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Canada
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Why isn't water on the list? It's going to be between water and firearms/ammunition, or possibly the control on knowledge as a commodity.
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Also, if you know what you are doing with stocks you can make much higher returns than the Dow Jones average. True of coarse. The market isn't some out of control animal nobody can predict. Some stocks/companies who knows whats gonna happen, but there's enough out there that's pretty much a shoo-in (as well as obvious losers) that with a little bit of effort and research and enough capital, it's not hard to make money, even now. I always bring this point up with my mother as well as my grandparents, but they just counter and say they don't have the time or motivation to invest in anything other than their dow-linked funds or the like. |
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United States
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Disagree with the consensus that stocks will out perform precious metals. I also disagree with the assertion that "history shows stocks are a better investment."
...................1971.........2011...............% Increase
S&P 500.....100pts.......1200pts............1200% (nominal)
Gold...........$35/oz.......$1650/oz...........5500% (nominal)
The performance of stocks and precious metals depends largely on the state of world affairs and the global economy. I would argue that conditions are more favorable for gold/silver than for stocks, both currently, and for the foreseeable future.
Also, it's been 40 years since we left the gold standard. In the 1970s & the 2000s, gold out performed stocks substantially. In the 1980s and 1990s, stocks out performed gold.
Another thought: I'd be willing to bet that more people through out history have lost their butt on stocks than on precious metals. Individual stocks can go to zero, while gold/silver has always retained some value even in commodity bear markets.
Government bonds are the absolute worse investment IMO.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Don't forget to include dividends when calculating stock returns. It is true that some have lost fortunes when their stocks went to zero but there are those that made a killing when their stock increased to many multiples of their cost.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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But
Stocks - which ones?
Same Q? with guns, antiques, bonds, etc Nice increase in values on guns from WW2 German ones. Mauser Machine pistols, Broom or Bolo handles, for example. Quote:
Don't forget to include dividends when calculating stock returns. It is true that some have lost fortunes when their stocks went to zero but there are those that made a killing when their stock increased to many multiples of their cost. Many forget that little fact. I met a lady that worked for AT&T and invested through the companies stock option plan. When she retired whe was collecting over $30,000/year in dividends. Add that to her retirement fund, SS, her husbands IRA and she is making more than most that are working. Dividends are nice. Edited by just carl
10/26/2011 09:26 am
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote:For instance, take a coin cost guide from the 60's, 70's, or 80's and compare it to a RedBook today. Just about every coin has increased in value. Yes they have gone up, but when you check their annualized rate of return compared to inflation in most cases you will find they often didn't keep up. |
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Egypt
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Gold coins is the perfect equation  |
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