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Bedrock of the Community
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Pics a little small, you should have cropped out the slab. I'll go 64, I do see a couple deep obverse hits on the portrait and a few spots. As long as those are just carbon spots, there's no reason this wouldn't cross based on what I'm seeing. The only thing that is perhaps a bit questionable is the color....but that's really hard to gauge with the pics.
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Pillar of the Community
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Cropped pics....   |
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Pillar of the Community
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The obverse spot is the one that has me worried for cross over...  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I think it's a 65. Does the coin cartwheel? The spot looks like verdigris and not carbon! Can you tell? Is it green at all? If it is verdgirs, I'd crack that slab and conserve the spot myself. On a coin like that PCGS or NCG will reject it with verdigris. The verdigris can be easily removed but the stain will be there forever. However, a stain won't keep it from grading.  Lincoln Cent Lover!VERDI-CARE™ INVENTOR https://verdi.care/
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It looks like carbon to me? The coin has way to many tiny marks to be a 65. Look at Lincolns shoulder, at the 'O', at the 'N', plus the spots. To the naked eye, a very beautiful coin, but I think a grader would start adding up issues with the coin. Maybe ICG might give it a 65. btw, does anyone remember that bogus grading company that got some people screwed on ebay about 3 or 4 years ago, I think it was GCS, or GGS....something with "Gallery". They would have graded this coin MS-70 without a doubt |
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Pillar of the Community
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Busted out the scope......Definitely verdigris.  Badthad, if I bust it out and use Verdi-Care on the spot before I submit to PCGS won't their sniffer kick it back? Or is that used only on the secure plus?  |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Yep, definately verdigris! Here's what I'd do.
Using a stim-u-dent plaque remover, apply a little VC to the tip and touch it to the spot, get enough on the spot to form a small dome over it. Let it stand for 5 minutes, work it gently with the tip of the plaque remover for a few seconds, then dab off the VC from the surface. If it's not too deep, it will come right off but the stain is there to stay. If necessary, you can safely repeat the process. If no progress is made, the verdigris is just too heavy and you'll want to leave it alone or you'll have a pit under it. Let the VC dry for at least 24 hours.
As far as the PCGS sniffer, unless you opt for the "secure plus" holder, I would have no fear. The chances are VERY slim they would test this coin and, if they did, the chances would be VERY slim it would be detected on that one little spot. If you want to be 100% it is not detected, you can rinse that area with distilled water or acetone after the conservation. However, if verdigris remains, I don't recommend a rinse because you'll remove most of the protection/neutralization VC offers.
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09/28/2011 12:00 am
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Pillar of the Community
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Jokingjoker, do you want to understand the impact on the market grade of those spots? Think, eye movement. Those spots are like magnets throwing off your eye movement through the coin. Especially on a technical gem-grade surface, like this one obviously is.
Have you thought of consulting NCS on it? That's another way you could go. I think I'd do that before I got out my chemistry set. Hey, just a suggestion.
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Pillar of the Community
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Have you thought of consulting NCS on it? That's another way you could go. I think I'd do that before I got out my chemistry set. Hey, just a suggestion. I thought about it, but I am not a member of NGC, I am a I only paid $156.00 for the coin. I took a gamble on poor ebay pics. I'm paying the price now. I would like to cross it to PCGS but it's not 100% necessary. http://www.ebay.com/itm/23067190621...t_500wt_1287 |
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If you did try to cross it, I think that's a go. I wouldn't play any tricks with them, though; I mean, knowing what they like and don't like to call "original" for their fans and the purposes of their guarantee. I'd simply submit the coin as is.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Neither PCGS nor NGC want to have to deal with an owner returning the coin because of the spot. The coin will not slab with it, end of story.
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Pillar of the Community
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Funny, then. The coin is undeserving of a grade due to its verdigris but you do something to arrest that verdigris and now the coin is undeserving of a grade due to its unoriginality. Jokingjoker, maybe you ought to just spend it!  |
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Pillar of the Community
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What happened? Did some of the posts get deleted on this threads? Seems like part of my last post was deleted as well?
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Forum Dad
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Nothing was touched unless any members deleted their own posts.
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Pillar of the Community
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Jokingjoker, you're joking, right?
Really, the only way your posts can be deleted is if you do it. I think the mods will edit and caution if they think it's inappropriate.
Anyway, on your coin, I think I'd address that verdigris, try to stop it. FWIW...
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