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 Posted 09/27/2011  8:14 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add teh0therside to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I recently found this coin and I was wondering whether it's an authentic silver Chinese coin. I looked around a bit and couldn't find anything similar so I'm quite sure that it's fake, but I think it's probably silver. It rings clearly for a long time when struck by a metal pen. Are there any other simple tests that I can conduct to determine whether it's silver?

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 Posted 09/27/2011  8:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add startabe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
no idea but that is a beautiful coin
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 Posted 09/27/2011  9:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This supposedly Xinjiang coin can't be genuine. Details are off and the denomination 'liang' or tael in English is quite rare. It's easy to replicate the silver ring noise with nickel alloy so the silver ring test is not a good indictation either.

A genuine coin would look something like this:

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 Posted 09/27/2011  10:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Totally agree.

Genuine Chinese coins would never have such a disrespectfully odd proportioned dragon on any of their government issued coins, much less a tael which was trade currency and sort of a business card to the rest of the world.

Has anyone else noticed that this particular fantasy design has shown up quite commonly in the past few months?
This is like the 5th or 6th of these I've seen in the past 3 months or so. I really don't remember having seen this exact design before that.
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 Posted 09/28/2011  02:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes - it's a hideous depiction of the Chinese dragon :). I got one is a box of general junk coins from a local auction about a year ago too.
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 Posted 09/29/2011  10:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So it may very well be a recent "fantasy". Interesting. I always wonder how the counterfeiting field progresses over time, but I find it hard to date fakes made in the last few decades. Only by seeing when they first show up I've been able to get an idea of a timeline for types of fakes.
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 Posted 09/29/2011  10:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
teh0therside - welcome to the forum.

I concur with the assessment of the coin being a modern Fantasy counterfeit - or FAKE.

Numismat You say

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I always wonder how the counterfeiting field progresses over time, but I find it hard to date fakes made in the last few decades.


I concur that the last 70-100 years are hard to date specifically - but there is a wide range of techniques being used today for forgery. The method a forger selects may be modern (computer assisted die cutting) or ancient (casting) but the key is to be able to detect a fake first. Dating when a forgery was made is a much bigger undertaking.

I have been working on that specific task for decades myself.
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