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1802 LC - Multiple Oddities - Help!

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 Posted 10/01/2011  2:14 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add matthewpj73 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi All - I have had this 1802 LC for a while now and just can't wrap my head around what's going on with it. There are three areas which have oddities. Two of them I believe are just die cracks...but the last I don't get. Let's call the A, B and C.

'A' is the die crack running which parallels the rim and runs across the tops of the letters ERIC and then heads toward the rim just above the last A in AMERICA. This is really only visible in one pic, the one with the items circled in red. I am convinced this is a die crack.

'B' is also a die crack, starting at the end of the left stem and terminating in the you of UNITED.

So for 'A' & 'B' the cracks are raised above the surface of the coin, which is what I'd expect for a crack.

NOW, 'C' is what's confusing me. This is the long "crack" that originates in the rim above the E in STATES, heads SE/S until it vanishes under a leaf. What is odd is, 'C' is a depression in the surface, like a scratch, however it appears to have left the mint that way, not PMD. The "scratch" or "groove" or "channel" runs UNDERNEATH the leafs and letters it bisects. A PMD scratch would be on top of those devices...?!?

Anyone who can explain 'C' is my hero. I've shown this to several shop owners who have scratched their heads and gone "huh."

Anyone? I love this coin but want to know more about the 'C' oddity.

Thanks! --- Matthew


1802--LC---Multiple-Oddities---Help!

1802--LC---Multiple-Oddities---Help!

1802--LC---Multiple-Oddities---Help!

1802--LC---Multiple-Oddities---Help!

1802--LC---Multiple-Oddities---Help!

1802--LC---Multiple-Oddities---Help!

1802--LC---Multiple-Oddities---Help!

1802--LC---Multiple-Oddities---Help!

1802--LC---Multiple-Oddities---Help!
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 Posted 10/02/2011  4:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewpj73 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Got everyone here scratching their heads going "huh" too, eh? ;)
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 Posted 10/03/2011  1:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
S-242, and it looks like a strike through to me.
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 Posted 10/03/2011  8:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewpj73 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
COnder101--->Thanks for the input...I was thinking strike through also, but if so, why wouldn't it cut right through the S and leaves as well, instead of "tunneling" under them?!? I'm still confused on this one.
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 Posted 10/04/2011  11:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure. I've seen it before and the only thing I have been able to come up with is a "second coin strike through" where the first coin struck pinned the thread or whatever it was to the field on either side of the voids in the die. the the metal being forced into those voids broke the thread at either edge where it crossed the void. That coin would show the strike trough and may even include those broken off pieces as retained strike throughs. Now if the thread stayed on the die it wound now be missing those pieces where it crossed the letter and the leaf so the second struck through coin would not show a depression in those areas.
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 Posted 10/04/2011  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewpj73 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the explanation, Conder...I think you are probably right on. Would be nice to have a time machine to go back and observe the minting of the this particular coin, to see firsthand what happened. But I think your explanation is both plausible and probable. Thanks for your information, I'm still learning about early copper, however I sure do love it.

A few last questions for you - does the strike through increase, detract from, or not affect the value of the coin? (Personally, I think it's neat and should increase the value, but that's just me...I'm guessing for an 1802 it won't affect value)

Also, would you mind taking a stab at grading/valuing this coin?

Thanks again!
Matthew
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