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 Posted 10/08/2011  3:33 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Had a guy bring in a collection of 2000-date coins, each page fancy full color die cut yada yada. He paid $35 and up (plus shipping) for sets that had $2-3 face of stuff that will prolly be worth face 50 years from now.

This morning, I had a guy who thot $32 per for Morgans was too much.

Why can't I find suckers like the first guy?

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 Posted 10/08/2011  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Know what you mean. Ever see all the posts here about stupid prices received for nothing on ebay?
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 Posted 10/08/2011  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hesgut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So what you're saying is...Why can't you find guys you're able to rip off in your coin shop? I'm just kidding, sort of.

I would have felt really sorry for the first guy.
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 Posted 10/08/2011  9:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I did advise him to see if he could return them and get his money back, and not buy any more.

Beats me that people will buy crap like this for ten years before looking for a coin dealer in their phone book.
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 Posted 10/09/2011  06:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chris beatie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The one brick and mortar store in my area I went into before I knew anything about coins. Asked him just to look at my 2 Morgans which to my at the time untrained eye looked really nice (they are AU and BU). I wanted to see if they had any extra value over their silver content. Well he fine me a big line of crap about them being ty and offered me 22 for them each.

I didnt even consider it sense the scrap value at the time was about 31 a coin. I told him no thanks that their silver content was worth more then he tryed to feed me another bs line of how they arnt a full oz of silver. To which I replied I know, they are 24.057 grams of silver (I might not of known coin grading then, but I sure was not a idiot about how much silver was in a 90% silver coin that weighs 26.73 grams).

So basically people do look for for dealers Fredd. Some may be good others are bad. As for me I always found way more reputable people and better deals online.
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 Posted 10/09/2011  09:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not sure but I'd say Chris's story is more the norm than people think. There is one coin store I USED to go by almost every day and stopped in occationally. Several times while there I witnessed someone being taken either in sales or purchasing. One such was two rolls of Indian Head Nickels for double face value and all had dates. Most coins there were cleaned and there was no negotiating prices. Prices were a minimum of Red Book.
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 Posted 10/09/2011  10:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add googoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't feel bad for people that over pay on anything.
Whenever I am buying stuff, whether it is coin supplies, coins, or even things for my apartment. I research for a while, sometimes upwards of a few weeks before I jump on something. I know what I am getting into, what kind of a deal is a good deal, and what is too much. I look at all my options. Bottom line is that people are idiots. I even researched for like a month before buying a set of TV trays for my apartment. I ended up saving a bunch of money by searching, ordering online with site to store pick up, and not buying the first thing I thought was a decent price. Just do research, no matter what you are buying
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 Posted 10/09/2011  1:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add weavus135 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
this is an interesting topic because it brings in a couple of the 'hot' buttons for collecting these days. First, the brick and mortar dealers around me are far a few between and the one that has any kind of selection (that isn't all about metal), wouldn't give you the time of day to even look at something like this so these folks who we would like to see become collectors continue in ignorance (no insult intended). They have no one to help them. And the few shows I've been to around my area are pretty heavy into dealers that sell metal shaped like coins. I believe, based solely on my interaction with them, that many don't give a hoot about coins. They care that metal is metal and that they want to make a profit on that. I find it sad and again folks who visit these shows find no help. The one thing that the price of silver has done for sure is make the collecting portion of this hobby secondary.
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 Posted 10/09/2011  2:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Back around 1981, one large dealer on teletype pointed out that dealers in general dropped the ball on the silver and gold rush. Rather than hire more help, they often shuffled off "retail" customers to take care of bullion biz. Why help a supply customer with a $10 order, when you've got someone else wanting to sell a bag of silver you'll make $1000 on?
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 Posted 10/09/2011  4:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bizybackson to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ignorance can be an expensive occupation. In you first instance, the customer bought them with eye towards profit or least 'holding' their paid value, instead of just buying them to enjoy, knowing there was zilch resale opportunities. In the second example, that customer is trying to key in on a bargain, or just testing how much you know about the coins you sell. A face to face market is a tricky platform for commerce that is a double edged sword, because it's human nature to make assumptions about people we don't personally know. Do you know if I'm going to drop $10 or $1000 in your store? Would you rather service the $1000 customer first than the $10 customer or are they the same, regardless of how much they spend or none? I sidestep all these issues by the anonymity of the Internet. There my money's just as good as everyone else's. I find that this attitude is not at all uncommon, with the unintended consequence of shuttering many brick and mortar coin stores and driving dealers to the Internet or to weekend coin shows. I would say that the Internet is not all bad; it has a plethora of coin-related resources, of which CCF is one, and no one should claim ignorance when all these resources are out there just for the asking.
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 Posted 10/09/2011  9:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CowboyB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We went to the show north of DFW Saturday and I could not have been more pleased with all the folks we talked to. Everyone was very helpful and had the patience to answer even our dumb questions. LOL On the other hand I stopped buy the local coin shop last week and felt like they couldn't be bothered. I thought they were going to ask me to leave.
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 Posted 10/09/2011  10:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
, CowboyB!
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 Posted 10/09/2011  11:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Saruma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
CowboyB,

There are two main coin shops in my area. One I had already heard from my metal detecting friends was a good place (they mostly deal with the place to sell silver and gold scrap found while detecting). When I looked both places up on Google Maps I saw they both had a handful of reviews. The coin shop I just mentioned had all 4 star reviews. The other coin shop ranged from 1/2-1 1/2 stars. The main complaint sounded exactly like yours. I guess my point is check online sources and there may be reviews to help you out. If you live in an area with multiple coin shops this is a good way to know where not to waste your time ahead of time.
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 Posted 10/09/2011  11:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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. I ended up saving a bunch of money by searching, ordering online with site to store pick up, and not buying the first thing I thought was a decent price. Just do research, no matter what you are buying


How true, how true. Maybe it's due to the area I grew up in where haggling or chewing down anything and everything in the way of prices, but I find myself doing that everywhere to this day. And not just with coins but almost anything. For example I usually try to get things cheaper at Walmart when it's the last one. For example I found a $50 pair of solar flood lights that had been taken out of the box and last one so I found the manager and he ended up letting me have them for $5. And they work great. It's just in my system to never pay full price if not required.
At coin shows I never, ever pay what a dealer is asking. If they wouldn't drop the price, I walk away.
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 Posted 10/11/2011  7:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add everything to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have to say, of the 4 coin dealers in the city I live in, they would rather buy than sell, it gets them excited, I can tell, and if they sell they want larger premiums than you will find online. You have to have connections or you pay full retail I've noticed.
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I agree with GooGoo: research is something that I'm trying to educate my sons about.
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