Mexico 8 Reales Zs 1836 O.m.

Chucky117 The coin appears to be REAL but I am very doubtful that the die is the 1836/5 variety.

I do think I see something above the arc of the 6 but the problem is that I believe a SINGLE die made all the overdate coins known to exist. I am unaware of a second overdate die - but this is POSSIBLE. This coin, if real, would prove the existence of a second overdate die. There is a good photo of the overdate die in Dunigan's book "Resplandores" on page 400. But in that case, the top of the 3 clearly points at the CENTER of the upper loop of the 8. The coin you picture has a less tilted 3 that points to the TOP of the 8 not in the center of the loop.

The only conclusion to draw so far is that this coin ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT MATCH THE DUNIGAN VARIETY.

So is it real? The burden of proof is always on the party making the claim but here there is VERY little evidence to be seen.

A value of $70 is reliant on the added value conveyed by the overdate. A normal date or a damaged die strike would be closer to bullion level than $70.

I said that initially the coin "looks" real. However, as with all early 8Rs you need to check the weight and the edge design.

The position of the head of the snake on an 1836 Zs die varies. Each die was made individually from punches that contained part of the design or one letter. The head of the snake was a feature added AFTER the basic design was impressed. So no 2 dies are identical.

To use Resplandores effectively you need to check the pictures YEAR to YEAR to see when dies began being made with hubs instead of the small punches. Dunigan's pictures can be used to piece together a table for the introduction of hubs.

Regarding weight - the coin appears to have some wear but not extensive. The planchet was tapered which may be why the coin was so weakly struck. I would estimate 26.3 to 26.7 grams would be expected.

It wouldn't be terrible for $60, but a bit more patience would buy a bit more coin at that price.

Thank you realeswatcher! I want to know swamperbob's advice and may be some others advice, the seller put the item in "pause" until 10 p.m. today if I decided to buy it, if not the item will be on display again in Mercado Libre a kind of ebay in Mexico... I don't know what to do, because early 8 reales are pretty scarce here in Mexico even scarcer than in the U.S.A.
Should or shouldn't buy it in that price $60?
Thanks for your answers!

Agreed, $60 would be too much for my blood even in Mexico.

$60.00 USD X $13.44 MXN = 806.40 Pesos

All good things come to those who wait and stay alert!

I once put a 8 Reales on my ebay watch list just to forget about it and I was very angry with myself because it actually sold for $7 dollars and some change. No Lie! I am still kicking myself for that and It was no fake either.

Thank you guys for your advices!
I said "good-bye" to the seller... I'll wait a better price in these kind of coins.
Best regards,
Chucky117