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Valued Member
United States
227 Posts |
Would never work for obvious reasons as people already stated.
As an aside, I think people are way too obsessed in bullion (now especially).
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
3831 Posts |
The reality is this - suppose silver standard does come back.
If it does come back, implications of the silver standard based upon volatile price is not good. When silver prices are low and the mint strikes plenty of "coins" - sure, that's a good thing. But not the other way around. They just vanish.
Besides, how do you know what you have is the real deal when you have super high quality counterfeits coming from China that has the same weight and looks similar to the real deal?
No thanks. If I want something tangible, I'm much happier having handshakes.
My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseriesMy numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htmRegularly updated at least once a month.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
7096 Posts |
IF a gold/silver standard did in fact come into reality All the gold/silver that we hold in our personal possession would probably be confiscated by the powers that be.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21788 Posts |
jbuck: Perhaps, but but far be it for me to know all of it.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
511 Posts |
I'm all for honest money, but the current bipartisan gangs of thieves and traitors would never go for it.
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New Member
United States
4 Posts |
No. People would only take from circulation that is all people would be worried about. Not the greatest idea.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
20753 Posts |
Silver, Gold, paper standards mean very little to some. My wife's parents, now deceased, lived on a farm. It was a dairy farm. They also had a massive garden. They made all sorts of things for the Winter in the way of food. They bartered old worn out cows for other itmes such as bread, pork, etc. They had all the Milk you could drink of course. They had a lot of acres of trees that the government paid them to not cut down. They also bartered with excessive vegtables and sold many to town restaurants. The moral of the story is their annual income was practically nothing but they lived a lot better than many, many people I know now.
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Moderator
 Australia
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The main problem with this concept is there simply isn't enough silver to go around anymore. The old "silver standards" were only maintainable by the government (and/or by all world governments via international agreements) decreeing a fixed "buy" and "sell" price for silver. In the case of your example, that sell price would be $50/ounce; the "buy" price would presumably be slightly less than this. Even discounting the argument that the modern financial system needs a bigger money supply than physical silver could possibly supply, the cold equation is that we aren't mining silver anywhere near as fast as we're reproducing. And by "we" I mean the planet as a whole. But just taking the United States into consideration, the main problem with this scheme is, where's the silver going to come from? The US doesn't mine enough of it, and the few silver mines still operating within its territory aren't government-owned. If the government has to import or purchase billions of ounces of silver to make it work, what are they going to buy the silver with? No-one will take the old worthless paper dollars once the silver scheme is being considered. Quote: That is true, for the beginning. At first, people are going to hoard them. Soon after though, they will go on the internet and find out the amount of silver in them and the cost. The people will realize that its not worth holding on to, and release them into circulation. I'm afraid they won't. Let's apply basic Gresham's Law logic. Suppose you need to buy $5 worth of groceries. You have a $5 coin containing 1/5 of an ounce of silver, and you also have a $5 paper note containing no silver whatsoever, and only a dubious promise to maybe exchange it for silver in the future. Which will you keep, and which will you spend on groceries? You'll keep the coin and spend the note, of course. So the coins will not circulate, as long as the paper notes continue to exist. Quote: I agree that the alloy should be just made less and less if the price goes higher. If it goes lower, the alloy of silver should increase. This way, it easily fluctuates without changing the coin. Sorry, but that will never work. The whole point of a "silver standard" is that the standard doesn't change. Changing the silver content changes the standard, and therefore does change the coin. The higher silver content coins, whether new or old, would be hoarded and melted, leaving just the debased ones circulating over and over until they're worn thin. Gresham's Law again. The only way a government could make such a scheme work in this day and age is by withdrawing all the old coins, melting them down and re-issuing the silver in coins made to the new standard. And doing this too often would be expensive, making the maintaining of the currency system unprofitable. Issuing coinage is supposed to be revenue-making for a government, via seigniorage; once it becomes loss-making, they simply stop making the coins. That's what scared the world's governments into dropping silver from the coinage, during the wild price fluctuations of the 1960s and 1970s.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: Silver certificate currency was withdrawn at about that time also. Can't remember the exact year. 1968. Quote: I do not think this true, as I believe the 1792 Mint and Coinage Act specifically stated a silver standard. The 1792 Mint and Coinage act set us up on a bimetallic standard. That was a mistake because every time the value of one or the other would fluctuate it would cause the coins of the other metal to disappear from circulation. Finally in 1853 we went, unofficially, on the gold standard with gold coinage having unlimited legal tender status and silver coins being subsidiary by weight and with only limited legal tender status. We adopted the gold standard officially in 1901 and went off it in 1933 (although we did still have factional backing of the currency by gold for foreign obligations until 1968). We have never been on a silver standard with our currency backed by silver except for the portion that were specifically backed with silver, the silver certificates. And they only formed part of our circulating currency.
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Valued Member
United States
310 Posts |
I think the us could return to a metal standard. Unlike Mexico, US currency is much more popular world wide, and is a reserve currency. Precious metals on the other hand would become pegged in the US. US currency would become the precious metal of the rest of the world. The problem is that the US would lose the ability to control the "value" of it's currency. Save we had $5 silver 1/10 once coin. Silver instantly becomes $50 an ounce, because that's what we say it is. Now if silver is currently $28 on the world market when we do this, the world will sell us silver hand over foot, until it equalizes. Gold was pegged at $35 a once for decades by us. Only when we went of the standard was it allowed to float. Now, there is some bad that comes with this. If the rest of the world stays on a fiat system, our money will become more and more expensive as we would lose the ability to inflate our currency easily or debase it easily. It could be done, but we'd need to add precious metal to inflate it, and change coinage each time we'd want to debase it. We did it before(Think Seated Liberty coins with arrows). The biggest problem we'd face is our currency becoming too expensive for the rest of the world. example, the euro is roughly worth $1.25. We decide to go on a silver standard pegged at $50 an ounce when silver is at $28(current situation) The US dollar would nearly double in value overnight. Europeans would have to pay twice as much for US exports than they do now. The Euro would be like .60 to the new US dollar. Our exports would suffer and would get worse as other fiat systems inflated. We'd be able to import things cheaply, but that would worsen the issue we have now actually producing products here. We wouldn't be able to sell to the world and it'd be way cheaper to import instead of producing here. Jobs would disappear. We'd need other countries to come on the standard with us to have trading partners.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Any topic concerning the future usage of metals such as Silver, Gold, Platinum, etc., may well be of little use. The reason is our modern technology is pushing more and more for the ability to change elements from one to another. The old dream of changing Lead to Gold may well be not to far away. Not sure what it was on TV but a long time ago there was a story about some crooks that stole Gold and went into a cave, put themselves to sleep for 100 years. When they came out and fought over the Gold, one servived. But he too as he was dying of thirst, tried to buy water with his Gold only to be thought nuts since Gold could now be made. Today we can make all the Diamonds we want. Soon enough All metals will be made from other elements. It's only a matter of time.
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: The 1792 Mint and Coinage act set us up on a bimetallic standard... I knew he would know. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3294 Posts |
You can change both mercury and lead to gold with some particle accelerators I think, but the energy required to do so makes it not cost effective.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Valued Member
United States
310 Posts |
@nod2003, you are correct. We actually have been able to change lead into gold, granted just a few particles, and the energy and cost associated with doing so is not even close to being useful.
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