Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes. Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors Specializing in Modern Numismatics Royal Estate Auctions - $1 Coin Auctions300,000 items to help build your collection! Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

Help With Some Greek Un Cleaned Coins

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
First Page Previous Page  Showing last 15 replies.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 38 / Views: 4,028Next Topic Page 3 of 3
Pillar of the Community
United States
4253 Posts
 Posted 07/24/2012  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list
Here is a picture of RIC IX Cyzicus 8b: http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=221917
Pillar of the Community
United States
3229 Posts
 Posted 07/24/2012  9:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TJsCoins to your friends list
For encrustations you might look at this thread:https://goccf.com/t/123611&whichpage=1

Also, I see a steel needle in your pics that I am guessing you use to clean the coins. I will suggest a couple of other tools:
1. Copper wire that has been sharpened. Try your local hardware store for the wire. Copper is softer than steel and more forgiving.
2. A diamond dusted dental pick. I recommend 600 grit. Best cleaning tool that I have ever tried! Here is a source:
http://www.nobleromancoins.com/prod...oducts_id=23
Note: This supplier also offers a DVD on cleaning coins. I do not like or agree with all of his methods. Re-tooling an ancient is just plain wrong in my opinion. Also, I do not agree with electrolysis except in extreme conditions.
Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
4208 Posts
 Posted 07/25/2012  04:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list
Thanks for the thread link TJS, ill keep that in mind for future.

Update on the coin I wrecked: I've put it back in, to strip off all of the side which I felt was too far gone, but I have covered up the other side. Also, turns out, there is very little patina under the green, I tried patiently picking at it to no avail, as soon as I saw patina, it would be chipped off whilst working on the next splodge.

Still no indications as to who is on the coin. theres an HN on it though, so ill start investigating people with such odd pairings in their name.


UPDATE: While thats cleaning, I've been having a go at another coin which is in excellent condition. Two Soldiers, standard centre, the reverse shows Joannes, minted in Antioch. I still need to find the RIC ID and photograph it, so ill do that later.

FURTHER UPDATE: Cleaned up the 3/4 facign one to the point where I could Identify it. Honorius, reverse design is Concordia enthroned with sceptre holding a globe with victory standing atop it. I'm going to do RIC numbers for all identified later.
Edited by Ben
07/25/2012 10:20 am
New Member
Canada
34 Posts
 Posted 07/25/2012  11:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jason13 to your friends list
Guess that the seller chimaira-antiques-coins you bought those from sold out of the uncleaned roman coins. I'll have to put them in my favourites and see if they get anymore up for sale.
Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
4208 Posts
 Posted 07/26/2012  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list
Fantastic news - I have finished cleaning on 7 coins! They will be soaked in Olive oil for 2 weeks to remove residual crud.

Anyway, time to try and ID all of those.

COIN 1:
Obverse: Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins
Reverse: Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins

Known Info: Two Soldiers, standard centre. Mint mark: (s)MA(Unknown letter)
Surviving inscript on obverse reads: (Unknown, maybe R)T(*) AVG

COIN 2:
Obverse: Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins
Reverse: Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins
Detail of the Left Soldiers face:

Known Info: Two Roman soldiers, standard. Inscription on reverse reads: GLO*I VS
Obverse reads: [AH]V AVG (Not totally certain on this, the first two letters in square brackets could be different).
Mint mark SHANT - Antioch.

COIN 3:
Obverse: Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins
Reverse: Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins

Known Info: Inscription Reads GLORIA ROMANORVM on reverse, obverse reads: SPF AVG. Emperor dragging a rather fat captive by the hair.
Minted in Cyzicus

COIN 4:
Obverse: Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins
Reverse: Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins

Known info: Honorius, Concordia seated with Victory on globe.Minted Cyzicus. Reads CONCORDIA AVGG and DNH HONORORIVS AVG. This is my favourite so far as its neat, 3/4 facing and shows that the romans knew the world was a sphere.

COIN 5:
Obverse: Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins
Reverse: Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins

Known info: Legend unreadable, cross with person and captive.

COIN 6:
Obverse: Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins
Reverse: Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins

Known info: Not Roman, most likely Celteberian. Mint mark is childish in nature and reads SH, with bad kerning.

COIN 7:
Obverse: Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins
Reverse: Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins

Known info: I fear this to be a junk, cant make sense at all of the back and the face is worse. No legend survives.

BONUS COIN (8#):
This is the double bust coin I wrecked, but as more patina comes off, more detail shows through! Lettering that had so hint of being there when I got to the patina came up and the faces have gained eyes and hair.
BUST A: Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins
BUST B: Help-With-Some-Greek-Un-Cleaned-Coins

Known info: Zilch. letters that are readable are: Bust A, to the right of bust, O(funnylookingE)ON.
Bust B: MHN, the the right of bust, O(funnylookingE)
Edited by Ben
07/26/2012 12:34 pm
Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
4208 Posts
 Posted 07/26/2012  3:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list
Come on people, I need help with this! (Particularly the bonus coin, coin 7 and the reverse of coin 5).

That double bust is so...accessible, but I can find no references for it! maybe its in greek? The legends dont match to anything on the partial legends search on Wildwinds...
Pillar of the Community
United States
4253 Posts
 Posted 07/26/2012  4:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list
Your bonus coin is very interesting. Bust number one looks like it could be Augustus and bust 2 looks female, perhaps Livia. If so very rare; however, I can't locate a coin that looks like this. I will keep looking.
Pillar of the Community
United States
4253 Posts
 Posted 07/26/2012  4:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list
The closest I can find is a denarius of Augustus and Julia, his daughter. But yours is not silver. Can you tell me the measurements? take a look at this link and see if this coin looks something like yours: http://wildwinds.com/coins/sear5/s1732.html
Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
4208 Posts
 Posted 07/26/2012  4:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list
Thanks JWHarper (also, how does your name break down? J W Harper? J Wharper?) but it doesn't look like it I'm afraid.

The measurements are: 18mm Diameter. Thickness away from the bust is jsut over 2mm with a thinkness of nearly 4mm at the centre (due to the protusion of the busts). Ill weigh it and edit this post in a second, but I can only measure to within 2g and the patina being removed may have lightened it. It came out as 4g on the scale, so its heavier than 3g and lighter than 5g. Not much help really...

And all other coins in the batch are late 300s and early 400s AD.

EDIT: Just a thought, could it be a die mismatch?
Edited by Ben
07/26/2012 4:31 pm
Pillar of the Community
United States
4253 Posts
 Posted 07/26/2012  4:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list
I'll look some more, but the bust type on this coin is not 3-400 AD, but more like 1st/2nd century AD. If we keep looking, we'll find it (I hope). BTW, just call me JW. I'm a hillbilly from West (By God) Virginia. All hillbillies are known by both first and middle names, Bubba, or just initials. I've been called JW all my life as was my Grandfather and Great Grandfather.
Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
4208 Posts
 Posted 07/26/2012  4:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list
My god I didnt expect this when I got it. Every other coin has been similar era... Ill try searching google using the image rather than the text.

I really do appreciate the help by the way - and I will be IDing this if It means building a time machine and asking a roman mint official personally.
Pillar of the Community
United States
4253 Posts
 Posted 07/26/2012  4:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list
Take a look at the coin. Does bust 2 look female or male? I really cannot say from the image.
Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
4208 Posts
 Posted 07/26/2012  4:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list
Ill be honest, everytime I look at the coin, my mind changes on their genders. Bust A looks a lot more female, hair and scarf around shoulders. Bust B looks a lot more...regal, like they're are wearing a laurel reath. Either way, one is male, one is female.

Im going to guess at some unreadable letters on the bust A, to the left. KAHJ*squigglewhichisn'treadablebutisgenerallyrounded*H (maybe K)

That makes KAHJ*H or KAHJ*K

(edited for unforgivable spelling mistake)

Hold on! I just looked at several coins of Livia and Julia and they look very similar to this one. I reckon if I could work out the legend, it would help attribute the coin. I'm leaning towards 'not roman language'. Is there a resident expert for ancient languages?
Edited by Ben
07/26/2012 5:02 pm
Pillar of the Community
United States
4253 Posts
 Posted 07/26/2012  5:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list
If not Latin then Greek. Someone will be able to read it, but not me
Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
4208 Posts
 Posted 07/26/2012  5:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list
Okay, incase one wanders by:
For Greek character, ill just put them in angle brackets.
MHN (the bust) <theta><epsilon>(not legible)

Reverse:
(maybe pi, looks like the bottom half of an X)AH(possible T)(possible H)H (the bust) <theta><epsilon>ONC*(Y or V)(not legible)

MHN θε******
XAH** θεONCY*

*This is odd, because no greek characters look like C...
Page 3 of 3   Previous TopicReplies: 38 / Views: 4,028Next Topic Page 3 of 3
First Page Previous Page  Showing last 15 replies.
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.


    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.36 seconds to rattle this change. Forums