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Attribution Sought: 1799 Bust Dollar

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 Posted 01/14/2013  12:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list
Thanks Conder101. I assumed it was due to the wear of the coin; it never occurred to me that was due to the strike!
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 Posted 01/14/2013  1:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mysilveryears to your friends list

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Welcome to the 1799 club: "the dollar was the only silver coin made this year."
Can anyone confirm this?

All my references indicate that YES, this is indeed true.

And I decided to post fresh pics of my BB-22, so that folks won't have to chase them down in an old thread just to have a peek at this raw gem. The photos are too red.. toning is more of a golden shade:

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So far this impromptu 'club' seems to have seven lucky members:
matthewvincent, the O/P
mysilveryears
philadelphian
jeffrose
CoinHawkeye
g048406
chesterb

Pleeeeeze step up if you have another to show!
As for badges, I wish now my old Badge-a-Minute kit were still around. It would be cool to turn everyone's photo into a wearable pinback.
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 Posted 01/14/2013  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list
This topic is turning out better than I could have hoped for!
Does anyone know if either the Mint or the Smithsonian has a die press from the time period?
A picture of such press would be nice to see.

bifurcated - verb - used to describe a middle aged person who optometrist has just broken the news
that he or she needs bifocals.

Ex: "Hey Joe, looks like you've been bifurcated!"

I wonder, Condor101, if the weak strike was not actually a blessing. The example I have is remarkably
even instead of showing weak and strong areas.

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 Posted 01/14/2013  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1916 D Merc to your friends list

Sorry, I have to put my tongue back in my mouth. If only I could afford a coin like that. Well, I guess that will be a long way away. (15 with a part-time job lol.)
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 Posted 01/14/2013  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list
Afford?
My dear 1916 D Merc, what makes you think that I could afford it?
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 Posted 01/14/2013  6:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Windchild to your friends list
I'm in the same place 1916 D...

I can only wish!
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 Posted 01/18/2013  2:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list
I would like to acknowledge as many replies as possible with pertinent findings.

SsuperDdave,
Using your suggestion: B-5, BB-157, I found several examples which I used to compare my coin to.
The die crack is unmistakable, although the weak "U" is not consistently weak.
The examples which showed the letter first "T" in "States" with TWO die cracks, at a 90 degree angle, match mine.
Quite different. I have never seen such an example.
" A lovely coin." Coming from you, 20 times better than a CAC sticker!

jeffrose,
I found the overview quite informative. However, without pictures I had to resort to searching with Dave's hint.

g48406,
I respectfully disagree with you.

Condor101,
"bifurcated?" I LOVE that word!
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Here is a 1795 Dollar showing the same "fancy" lettering.
Would you call this bifurcated, too?
To me, the letter "I" is a giveaway.

mysilveryears,
I found, but cannot locate, two examples which match your
"cut in two" example.
Are you, or anyone, familiar with the advice:

"Use it up, wear it out.
Make it do, or do without." ?

Apparently, the early years of minting coins was all about
saving money.
"Use the die until it shatters!"

To one and all, thank you for the kind comments about this coin.
I thought it was "sweet'; otherwise, I would not have bought it.










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 Posted 01/18/2013  3:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
This thread delivers on multiple levels.
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 Posted 01/18/2013  7:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mysilveryears to your friends list

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"..found, but cannot locate"

m/v, I think you might be describing my brain in the a.m. before the coffee kicks in.

And yep, I certainly have heard that old Yankee saying. I have practiced that philosophy most of my life. Unfortunately the locality where I presently dwell does not look favorably on the accumulation of recyclables and other cultural cast-offs awaiting repurposing. But that's another story.

Also I would loooove to see more examples of that particular cracked die! I still find it hard to imagine it continued to be used. *Someone* back then must have observed, "If King George and his minions see we are making coins like that, they will laugh and say our new country is already breaking apart!"
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 Posted 01/19/2013  06:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list
mysilveryers,
NOW I remember where I saw it!

http://www.davidlawrence.com/invent...lotid/642281

David Lawrence Rare Coins:
Sold for $968.30 [plus 15%] April, 2009
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And yours:
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They appear to be identical.
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 Posted 01/19/2013  09:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mysilveryears to your friends list
Identical indeed! One-and-the-same!
Thank you for posting that, matthew.
I paid quite a bit more than that for mine, but it's a grade up. And much prettier. Woohoo!

Now don't be shy, folks... step up and become a member of the '1799 Club' !!
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 Posted 01/19/2013  10:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list
"... it's a grade up."

SEVERAL grades!

Save the info and use it to continue your research.

I am glad that I remembered. When I first saw it, I immediately thought of you.
Indeed, two sisters reunited after many years.
And I thought you would be pleased to find an identical example.



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 Posted 01/20/2013  03:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
Yes those are bifurcated letters.

It is a neat word and I DIDN'T make it up. The definition of the word is "to divide into two parts or branches". You can see how that applies at the bases of the uprights. I don't remember where I first saw it used but it may have been in Bolender's book on the early dollars where it appears for the first time on pages 21 and 22.
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 Posted 01/28/2013  07:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list
Here is another, mysilveryears.

cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251219876025

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 Posted 05/19/2013  5:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list
Hi, Cobey!
Always nice to speak with you. We had FUN today!
Search through this site and join if you think that it will help you with your education.
This is the best online educational group that exists.
Gotta keep that Brad in line.
Poopies, had to censor the last remark as we are a family friendly group.

And yes, we DO think alike. Soul mates as it were.



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