1904-O Morgan Dollar Help

OK, now my interest is peaked.

Vamming is an amazing thing..I agree this is not a NEW VAM but a later die state...However I must point out on small thing that has been in the heart of many complications..
Before I state this problem I would wish you all to LOOK at VAM 46... it has 2 die stages, here you can plainly see
the die cracks within the date mostly between the 0 and the 4 , certainly clear "slight" pick up points... as well as the die cracks on the reverse...can be some what pick up points...ADVANCED knowlegeable vammer's will notice the die cracks are like finger prints... the confirm other previously known attributes of the given coin...
BUT BY NO MEANS THINK YOU CAN GO FOR THE CRACKS "AND DISMISS.. THE PRIOR knowledge...This is base upon the Date placement and mint mark placement.. where many mis-interpretations have occurred..
this VAM, I believe is VAM 46 one of the 2 die states in which CHUTE72 has graciously pointed out doe to the FACT that the die cracks like finger prints are EXACTLY on the obverse and reverse but not to the extent that this coin is...
THERE .....is one flaw...ITS a major flaw which we see all the time... and its due to the classification of the date and mint mark placement locations.....from the photos taken...
Hear me out on this....this is not new, but I would like you to look at the submitters BEAUTIFUL photo's

OF the reverse, and the mint mark appears centered spot on....how ever as I do not own the 1904 scott allen but do have his 1902-0 studies book...notice the 1904-0 for VAM 46 die states 1 and 2.. show and LIST......the MINT MARK IS TILTED LEFT.....for the VAM 46 listing....
ALSO note the submitters photo's ARE CENTERD MINT MARKS.......not tilted left as posted or other wise listed
as centered....MY point is these listings, for vams are meant to trustworthy point us into the correct direction.... SO BEFORE we get to far and cant u8nderstand what happened.....
Most of the time there is discrepancy due to the angle of the photo taken....
ALL OF ANY OF YOU.....ANY of you I want you to see, how much.. we rely on the posting coins photo's
look at this.....and rely on this.... his photo's show the mint mark... is centered.....but the confirming die cracks mark's VAM 46 which the die cracks can match at an earlier state.....THE mint mark is TILTED LEFT......NOT SO in his photo's his mint mark is centered and upright....
I don't have time to explain all of this tonight...the why this VAM is listed in a different area, after all this is why we follow some kind of PLACEMENT arena to follow the directions, to figure out as beginners,, what VAM we may have...
I DO Want to Thank "Chute72", I have not the 04 book but the 02 book...Alan has done some fabulous work...
BUT STILL I am not done with this question......
do the fat that in Alans book it looks VAM 46... but with die one and 2 the mint mark is titled LEFT.... his pictures are centered...I will think upon this tomarrow..perhaps if you look at VAM worlds coins and his photos....the mint marks is the obnly this that is not correct..and this is why we can be led astray in our search for the coins listings....

one of the many interesting thins in vamming, as an example like this brings out so nicely...is that as Chute pointed out so nicely, this is an advanced state of a known VAM.
for those who have found and researched this VAM...there are a few KEY points of interest that will allow you to get it right the first time....
now depending on the originators photo's most of which are not very good and lead to many speculations, one must search for the small clues which lead you in the correct direction.
For example...the die crack that runs from the first left star left of the date TO THE NECK... is more pronounced in your photo, than the faint crack shown in your photo within the date from the O and the 4...in 1904...definite clue...
the other point on the reverse for this VAM is noted for the die scratches within the mint mark....your photo was 'almost absent of them... it wasn't until I downloaded your last photo's from today, one can see the remnants of the earlier die state scratches within the mint mark and the bow...
Now you have a very nice lens the SP 90...its very capable of very nice MACRO SHOTS...
when vamming we use this abillity to let others really see what we are seeing fine points that determine a vams association....so for an example you , today had a better close up of the mint mark wondering if it centered or tilted right...one of the problems in photo's is....
the coin itself is tilted left or right...this makes it feel the mint mark is tilted left or right...
mow take another photo the really gets into the MACRO realm
and take a true photo with the camera set on macro and set the camera to where it zooms into a small detail that vertualy makes the date or what ever you are focusing on fill the cameras lens...for example....

basically a full Obverse photo..
the fine details are not easily seen except to the individual who is studying the coin,, yet the rest of us don't really see what they are trying to show us...
Until we move into the macro world... now we move to macro and shoot close ups...


when we study the coin and find things, we shoot the general coin which captures the over all coin, and then we get the close ups of date and mint mark and abnormalities we haven't found in posted listings in order to gather some idea of what we do have....
Take ca close up of your mint mark...at an advanced state.. it looks like the die scratches within your mint mark are almost missing ...the listings are very pronounced...lets see what you have...

Very interesting thread about VAM's. I'm new to coins wondering does it add to value in the coin. Maybe someone could let me have a clue.
Thanks and have a great day,
Strategist

Thank I will continue to read about the subject.
Looking for an alternative of the mass herd purchases of Silver Eagles at Premium prices.
I feel I would rather collect something that isn't massed produced.
Just my feelings what I see in Silver Coins.
Have A Great Day

Technologically speaking, that's as close to impossible as to be a certainty. Keep in mind the minute nature of most of these features. Even die cracks, for instance, are never the same on two given varieties. When present, die cracks are the fingerprint which can differentiate one variety from all other Morgans.

And don't forget that the overwhelming majority of these carry no premium in the marketplace. Of the ones which do, the actual market for most of them isn't accurately defined. Unless you're absolutely sure that you have (for instance) one of the truly rare 1878/8TF varieties, paying a premium isn't called for. And if you're looking at one of those 8TF's, you can be sure that a few other people are looking too.

You have been assimilated.