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Charlene, can you get us a closeup of the "D" in "DOLLAR?"
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wish I could do better with pictures. I'm using Nikon S3300. Don't have a clue about settings.  |
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The close up picture of the leg makes me wonder if it is damaged with a knife long ago. There is a chance it might be real but I have never seen anything like this on a morgan that was not a knifed coin. The guy on VAMworld told me to check the B2b reverse morgans (open o). He said he thought it might be a VAM 146 but he would need to see it in hand or have much clearer close ups. If you are using a nikon you should be able to get some really good photos with brite white lighting. (use the spiral all pure white light bulbs) Prop your coin up on somehitng to get good lighting on it, Then set your camera to close up setting. You should be able to find amanual on line for it. http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Nikon-Pr...X-S3300.htmlI am going to try and contact another guy that really knows his VAMs. I will let you know what he says it is. |
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This page might help you narrow it down. It says anything wiith a broken O should be in the 140-146 area. http://www.vamworld.com/1878-P-2012...bution_guidePS the guy I talked with on VAMworld said it can't be the 146 though because your coin has a II/I obv and the 146 has a II obv.. Edited by 7TF
12/03/2013 6:12 pm
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PMD or "struck through" from what I can see. I do not beleive there is a VAM# with the tail feathers looking like yours.
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Hi all, I think this may be VAM 165. Here's the D again for Ssuperdave and more of the subject feathers. Hope a knife is not involved. Thanks guys     |
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The other expert could not tell what VAM it is but he said it was a knife cut for sure. I am sorry, I am sure you will find something rare soon. Just keep looking. There are some amazing varieties still available for picking. |
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Thank you for all you put into this 7TF. Hoped I really had something. Do you know why people took knives to coins? Using my lighted magnifier I was able to detect the worn pups and am pretty sure it is VAM 165. Tried for 166, but no go. I appreciate everyone's input and time very much. The biggie will come. |
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Most likely was done along time ago from the look of it. I don't know why they did it but it is in a peculiar place.
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I'm not buying a knife cut. Where's the displaced metal coming from, and why isn't the bottom curve of the feather it runs through damaged? Think for yourselves.
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The reason the feather does not appear to be damaged is because this coin was circulated after the cut. As for displaced metal it is there as the lump we are looking at but has since worn due to circulation. The guy that wrote the 1878 attribution guide confirmed to me that it had to be a knife cut. Given that this is a VAM 165 just puts the nail in the coffin because no other VAM 165 has this wing anomaly. |
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 after closely looking at it, appears to be cut, then circulated and worn down smooth. Too bad, it sure had me at first glance. Looked a lot like 1878-CC VAM 11 die gouges in wing. Or struck through, but after figuring out the VAM it has to be cut and worn down. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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looks like chisel work. I think the metal off the metal off the tailfeather would lay back in if it were pushed. Have you tried to poke it with a stick ? To see if the piece of metal is off of the field.
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I will admit, I wanted this to be something big just as much as Charlene and you SuperDdave. These knifed coins are very interesting and it really makes you wonder how and why they happened. There is another example of a knifed coin that has been talked about on VAMworld many different times but I can't find a link to it right now. Here is another knifed coin though that was talked about on VAMworld a few years back. http://www.vamworld.com/share/view/62264602Here is an interesting side note: The mint did actually cancel dies with an X this link shows a money clip that was made with a cancelled 1884 CC obverse die. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1884-CC-MOR...047675.l2557Edited by 7TF
01/02/2014 12:57 am
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These knifed coins are very interesting and it really makes you wonder how and why they happened. Which, of course, is why I'm so far off the deep end, so often. Who cares, "what?" I want to know "why."  The "knife cut" explanation is the Occam's Razor answer for this and all similar coins, and almost certainly correct. In this case, the damage on the wing feather probably folded northwards, up and back onto the feather with a slight downward component - almost flat but a little up. But the images do not make this conclusive to me, and I feel very strongly that numismatists are too quick to hew to "conventional wisdom." It illustrates the need for us to equip every single numismatist with the micro-imaging capability to make arguments like this one moot. |
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