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Pillar of the Community
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Suit yourself ... part of the joy of life is sharing knowledge with others ! That is called teaching. Remember 47p7 there are lots of newbies on here just dying to learn. Some do not have your skills and abilities. So do us all a favour and stick around you have lots to offer ! JUST saying ! JN
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Quote:I am not so sure about a police report, but the ebay report sure was effective! Bye bye to the pot metal listings from our German ebay friend! Auf wiedersehen Pacific........oh, how effective was what? the listings are alive. some just timed out on ebay.de! the rest will time out on Sunday! Unless you have the direct link, to it, you will get the removed or listing ended note,even if you have it in your watched items. The police report is alive with the Police in Brandenburg. that is the only way to go. AND, Just to get a listing OFF ebay does very little besides getting it off. an hour later it is back with another name or a polish listing. It is just like cutting the tail end off a snake. It will grow back. Good luck getting it off before it times out! |
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It's also important to note that counterfeit/fakes can sneak under the radar of some of the more seasoned folks as well. Case and point: at this Fall's Geoffrey Bell Auction at Toronto Coin Expo, I was viewing lots before the auction started. The gentleman sitting adjacent to me at the viewing table was looking at a series of gold coin lots. Among the grouping of gold lots he was examining, he identified 2 lots of fakes. He immediately notified the auctioneer (Brian), who in turn did the correct thing and had those lots removed from the auction sale without hesitation. But, had that gentleman not viewed the lots (or notified the auctioneer), then 2 fakes would've been sold off that night. I'm not blaming or accusing the auctioneers of anything, I'm simply pointing out that even a firm with a long standing and well respected reputation in our world of numismatics can be exposed to the same risks of acquiring/consigning/selling counterfeits. As for ebay, given their strong pro-buyer/anti-seller policies, I'm noticing a paradigm shift in the quality and overall availability of genuine and desirable coins now vs. a year ago; along with a stark jump in Chinese knock-offs of pretty much everything. I haven't bought off ebay since earlier in the summer, although I do browse routinely. |
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I was always told you learn by experience and hands on.
That does not seem to apply here.
well fellows, No more trying to make it fun to research and hopefully to find the right answer.( you will always remember after you found it yourself)
There is a member here who wrote in no uncertain words that I should look up my own stuff and not expect the forum to do it for me.
(it was written in a similar way but with that exact meaning)
easy solution for me, no more challenges.
Some of you obviously want everything put in front of you.
I will no longer care if you do Know or do not know how to recognize a tough obverse or a fake.
I just simply keep my experiences and what I know to myself.
It is that simple!
Ok, enough with the drama. This is your first, last, and only warning. Start acting like an adult or your done here. It's getting old. |
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Forum Kid
Canada
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interesting... sell here, sell somewhere else, HAHAh
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Pillar of the Community
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where are you coming from sell here ? sell somewhere else? we need an explanation ?
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Forum Kid
Canada
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sorry, what I meant is just counterfeits will be sold anywhere in the world, the cause, money... a canadian coin can be sold in china made in china sold in germany or made in germany. It is extremely sad that this happens!
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Pillar of the Community
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 completely, its just nothing short of a shame but the people doing it don't care and will continue to do it to make money. Imagine a 13 or 14 year old kid starting coin collecting for the first time and he's buying his first ever coin, he gets it and finds out a week later that its fake, The kid then says "Wow, you cant even start a simple coin collection in this world without having somebody rip you off. |
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Pillar of the Community
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Ok, enough with the drama. This is your first, last, and only warning. Start acting like an adult or your done here. It's getting old. CCF..Thank you so much..!! These aggressive statements were certainly getting to me. I have no idea why this was taking place and I'm sure that I was not alone here. This is supposed to be a "fun place" to view and share our knowledge and never a battle ground. We're all trying to learn and enjoy this hobby and are certainly "in the dark" when it comes to all of these fakes out there.. Sharing this knowledge is essential to all of us.. Edited by DEVLEC
12/06/2014 11:15 am
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Like I said before on this topic, the RCM owns all of coins copyrights, one phone call from their crack legal team to ebay will prevent probably 95% of the fakes, but yet they leave it to us collectors to fend. |
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Forum Kid
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yes excellent point! to you all. I find that all of the aggressors and drama queens are always the same people!!  |
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Valued Member
United States
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In response to 47P7s request for us to figure out why the coins he posted in the other thread were fake, I posted the following:
"Comparing my 1885 50 Cent piece to the counterfeit 1885 shown above I see that the counterfeit has different size letters and spacing on NEWFOUNDLAND on the obverse. The numbers on the reverse of the counterfeit appear slightly thicker to me than on my authentic coin. I also notice that my coin has a wide rim around it and then the dentils, while the counterfeit piece seems to have a very small to no rim and dentils immediately. That may just be something to do with cropping the photo? Or is it really like that. Anyways, that is what my attention was drawn to.
I'm still learning, but if there is some obvious reason that these are fake that has not been mentioned I would love to know so I know what to look for in the future."
Since I received no response there, perhaps someone could chime in here. I collect NFLD coins so I would like to know what I need to be looking for to avoid fakes. Does anyone know the "obvious" marker of why the 50 cent pieces posted by 47P7 are fake? I agree they are fake, but I just want to be sure I am seeing everything I should be.
Also, is there some website that discusses fake Newfoundland coinage or another resource that provides examples or things to look for?
Thanks in advance. I appreciate those who happily share information with the rest of us so we can learn.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I have probably made some "aggressive statements" recently, and since the "drama" occurred following my post on this thread, I can't help but think that I instigated it in the other thread. For that, I apologize. I enjoy the guess the grade, guess the variety, and the "which of these is a counterfeit" type threads as much as the next person. I just wish that posts in that vein were clearly presented as such, instead of "what grade is this" when it's really about counterfeits. I did not intend to insult 47P7 in any way.
On the 1882H the 2 is wrong. The H is on the obverse and should be on the reverse - is that the "clear marker"? Yes, I guess counterfeiters can be that dumb, but I don't really know these coins at all. There was a 1948 posted elsewhere that still had "IND IMP" on the obverse, so obvious and yet it didn't jump out at me at all.
Otherwise between the 1882 and the 1885 the only thing I can see is no definite line between the nose and the forehead, but I'm not sure if that's just the pictures. There's one on ha.com where that line is also not very distinct, so if there's something else obvious on both coins I would sure appreciate knowing what it is.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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duck: I think the biggest marker to me is where the bridge of the nose meets the forehead there seems to be a gap or blank space... I'm sure there's pleny of other ones... with respect to lettering or details but that's what jumps out for me...
As for my response with the rest of this thread... Perhaps the language was aggressive.. perhaps it was passive aggressive by some users.... but I honestly think we need to all take a step back...
I think 47P7's methodology of teaching us the markers is ... go try and find it ourselves and report what we think and why... a method of generating dialog.. not just regurgitating information...
Now there are some people on here that have a tonne of knowledge.. then most like me that are still only just learning and looking at any way to soak up the knowledge like a sponge...
I think the onus must be on us as a community to help the collectors .... in any role that is within our capibility...
Now lets stop arguing and bickering and lets work together on this problem!
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Posted 12/05/2014 9:38 pm
