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Is there a publication that documents all the large cent varieties? I checked my Charlton and there isn't a large list.
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No there isn't, but buying Rob Turner's 4 books is a big start. For ALL the varieties for 1859's, go to the Haxby site and have a field day: https://www.vickycents.com/prime.htmlThe 2011 65th edition of Charlton has 80 pages of Vicky cent varieties. Jim Haxby's annual coin guide by Whitman has many of the varieties. If you are really curious, go the the CaC coin site and click on each date and it will show the known varieties .. don't put much stock in the pricing however: http://www.coinsandcanada.com/coins-prices.phpThere is ongoing research on the 1876-1884 large cents that, hopefully, will be out this year. Thorough die tracking and populations/scarcities. |
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That's a really nice late state die crack on the round-the-clock, Okiecoiner! I wonder if that die also developed a Cud there before it was retired? Quote:
There is ongoing research on the 1876-1884 large cents that, hopefully, will be out this year. Thorough die tracking and populations/scarcities. Can't wait to see that! |
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There are actually 3 dies with die cracks long across the top of Regina for 1881 .. 2 of them do not have the doubling in Regina. Only this one has the crack with nicely offset doubling of all the letters in Regina. The other photo (the "V" in Victoria) actually IS a Cud between the serifs. Edited by okiecoiner
02/23/2018 10:30 am
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I can hardly wait for the new book it will be a must have for large cent collectors I'll be ordering mine early to make sure I get one put me on the list. I have some die crack 81's but nothing like the two you posted Okie mine are light cracks running on top of the words on obv, I'll have to re check them but I remember seeing some.
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Just throwing something else in the mix for discussion. One of the coins in the original post matches the coin I've posted and is referred to as being double punched. Dr Haxby has listed this coin in his guide book of Canadian Coins and Tokens as a Mixed Font Variety also the Micro D variety is another example of mixed font sizes being used. Cheers, Bill  |
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Yes, that's the "round-the-clock" that we put in Charlton p310. I won't say that this is any kind of "mixed font" like the Micro D. It just has mechanical/machine doubling, some repunching, and evidently some Die Deterioration Doubling so it's definitely mixed-type doubling. When we did the 2011 Charlton, we described this coin as "heavy-punch doubling" because we didn't have room to explain what Mechanical Doubling or "round-the-clock" meant. That's a nice shape coin you have there, Hounddog. |
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alot of very nice coins in this thread
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Here is a close-up of the VICT on a mixed font 1881-H like the one that Houndog posted. If you look at the C and the T you can see the difference in the fonts of the punches. The background C is larger with a wider opening. The foreground C is smaller with a narrower opening. The background T is taller with short serifs and the foreground T is shorter with long serifs. I think someone at the mint picked up the wrong punches and made a great die for collectors. I've never checked with overlays, but I've wondered if they would match the letters used on the quarter dies.  Edited by Phil310
02/23/2018 5:20 pm
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The thing is .. there are a number of them (doublings) for the date. I agree that some of the letters seem to be larger/smaller than others, but there is so much going on (with separate causes) that it's hard to delineate.
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It's a great die variety regardless of the cause. Part of the fun of collecting them is trying to figure out how they came to be. There will always be differing opinions, but I'm in the "mixed font" school on this one.
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If memory serves me correctly I believe there's evidence that points to a set of punched originally for the 1871 PEI cent.
Maybe an overlay for these also.
Cheers, Bill
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I pointed out in Dies & Diadems that the "T" punch for the PEI cent was wrongly used to correct an 1891 obverse die. The same punch set used on the PEI cent was used on the Straits Settlements and Jamaican half pennies (the PEI cent actually used the same master die and punch created for the Jamaican half penny, so the two obverses are identical). Obviously, there were numerous punch sets available to the die sinkers in the late 1800's.
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02/23/2018 10:19 pm
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1881 I think is my favorite year for varieties.
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Bosox until your post I thought only the 1891 had the die used with the PEI die. Thanks for added the extra history.
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