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What I like best about the '81's is that there is hub doubling, Mechanical Doubling, and a great deal of handpunching going on. Before they had the Obv 1a Obverse dies completely finished, they were using up the left-over 1876 dies, so you have some of the N's seriously offset in the repunches as well as letters with die wear that needed cleaning up. Then you had Mechanical Doubling where either all the words in the legend were doubled (and offset different ways) ... as well as individual words heavily involved and some not at all. You can find any combination (or singular) words in the legend the most offset, be it Vicky, Gratia, Regina, or Canada. For some reason, Dei never got involved with easily visible offsets. I have 300 or more 1881's and I still open folders to look at the variety of different coins that there were for that year. 1881's & 2's can drive you crazy cataloguing them all. Edited by okiecoiner
02/23/2018 04:52 am
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I agree Okie a person could spend a life time in those years looking and finding different varieties for 1859,1881,1882 so much fun looking and so much to find discovered and undiscovered varieties. I never tried to catalogue them that would drive me over the edge but I do write on the 2x2 or a label tag and stick it on the cert flip or slab. But I do like looking and I do love finding the varieties, the last few years now I have been trying to up grade to AU's or mint state if I can afford them or better yet find them at a reasonable price. I thought since not many people were chasing Canadian large cents I might as well jump in and find the best I could before they get to popular and they get harder to find I'm sure they will how could they not? I can honestly say you are missing out in a lot of fun if you don't collect Canadian large cents in my opinion anyway. I think it has already started at a small scale seems like more people bidding on large cent varieties on ebay then before. Happy Hunting Newbie's |
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And here's a couple more 81's that you don't see very often. Although D/C's are errors, not varieties, when neat D/C's show up on what is already a nice variety, then you have something special. This is a nifty round-the-clock where Regina is especially nicely offset and the die crack just adds to it:  And here is another round-the-clock (meaning there is doubling completely around the legend, or almost so) where a teeny D/C at the V in Victoria closed off the top of the letter between the serifs:  Neither of these will set the collecting world on fire, but they ARE hard to find. They just add a little more spice to what is, already, a great year to specialize in fairly cheaply. Edited by okiecoiner
02/23/2018 05:59 am
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Is there a publication that documents all the large cent varieties? I checked my Charlton and there isn't a large list.
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No there isn't, but buying Rob Turner's 4 books is a big start. For ALL the varieties for 1859's, go to the Haxby site and have a field day: https://www.vickycents.com/prime.htmlThe 2011 65th edition of Charlton has 80 pages of Vicky cent varieties. Jim Haxby's annual coin guide by Whitman has many of the varieties. If you are really curious, go the the CaC coin site and click on each date and it will show the known varieties .. don't put much stock in the pricing however: http://www.coinsandcanada.com/coins-prices.phpThere is ongoing research on the 1876-1884 large cents that, hopefully, will be out this year. Thorough die tracking and populations/scarcities. |
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That's a really nice late state die crack on the round-the-clock, Okiecoiner! I wonder if that die also developed a Cud there before it was retired? Quote:
There is ongoing research on the 1876-1884 large cents that, hopefully, will be out this year. Thorough die tracking and populations/scarcities. Can't wait to see that! |
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There are actually 3 dies with die cracks long across the top of Regina for 1881 .. 2 of them do not have the doubling in Regina. Only this one has the crack with nicely offset doubling of all the letters in Regina. The other photo (the "V" in Victoria) actually IS a Cud between the serifs. Edited by okiecoiner
02/23/2018 10:30 am
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I can hardly wait for the new book it will be a must have for large cent collectors I'll be ordering mine early to make sure I get one put me on the list. I have some die crack 81's but nothing like the two you posted Okie mine are light cracks running on top of the words on obv, I'll have to re check them but I remember seeing some.
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Just throwing something else in the mix for discussion. One of the coins in the original post matches the coin I've posted and is referred to as being double punched. Dr Haxby has listed this coin in his guide book of Canadian Coins and Tokens as a Mixed Font Variety also the Micro D variety is another example of mixed font sizes being used. Cheers, Bill  |
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Yes, that's the "round-the-clock" that we put in Charlton p310. I won't say that this is any kind of "mixed font" like the Micro D. It just has mechanical/machine doubling, some repunching, and evidently some Die Deterioration Doubling so it's definitely mixed-type doubling. When we did the 2011 Charlton, we described this coin as "heavy-punch doubling" because we didn't have room to explain what Mechanical Doubling or "round-the-clock" meant. That's a nice shape coin you have there, Hounddog. |
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alot of very nice coins in this thread
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Here is a close-up of the VICT on a mixed font 1881-H like the one that Houndog posted. If you look at the C and the T you can see the difference in the fonts of the punches. The background C is larger with a wider opening. The foreground C is smaller with a narrower opening. The background T is taller with short serifs and the foreground T is shorter with long serifs. I think someone at the mint picked up the wrong punches and made a great die for collectors. I've never checked with overlays, but I've wondered if they would match the letters used on the quarter dies.  Edited by Phil310
02/23/2018 5:20 pm
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The thing is .. there are a number of them (doublings) for the date. I agree that some of the letters seem to be larger/smaller than others, but there is so much going on (with separate causes) that it's hard to delineate.
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It's a great die variety regardless of the cause. Part of the fun of collecting them is trying to figure out how they came to be. There will always be differing opinions, but I'm in the "mixed font" school on this one.
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If memory serves me correctly I believe there's evidence that points to a set of punched originally for the 1871 PEI cent.
Maybe an overlay for these also.
Cheers, Bill
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