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Can someone give me an idea of the percent premium above FMV one might pay on average for this type of error at various degrees of rotation? Please don't say "its worth whatever someone's willing to pay"... I know it varies greatly I'm just looking for a ballpark and min/max potential value.
Are there particular series of coins where this error is extremely rare and therefore more prized by collectors? Also, if the coin itself is scarce does that increase the percentage of premium above FMV?
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06/22/2012 08:53 am
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I don't think that there is a "hard fast rule", but I would like to know this as well. I just got my 1875 S/S 20 cent piece back from ANACS with a "Rotated Die" designation (approx 90 degrees).   {rotated image to illustrate the degree of rotation (until I can pop a few off in the slab)} There are five identified on the ANACS report; 1 @ VF20-35 1 @ XF40-45 2 @ AU55 1 @ AU58  Edited by oih82w8
06/22/2012 09:19 am
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Bedrock of the Community
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I would agree, there is no hard and fast rule. Why? Because there aren't a lot of serious collectors of rotated die coins, and some coins are commonly encountered with rotated dies and most people don't know if a given coin is common rotated or not. Since there is low demand most of the people who do collect them prefer to do their own searching and cherrypicking, a lot like many VAM collectors. |
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Yo... Collectors... I disagree about the number of collectors who collect rotated dies. There are Plenty... PLENTY of them... including me. 1878-cc Morgans are the most plentiful... and people snatch them up quickly when the rotation is 90 or more degrees. A coin has to be more than 5 degee rotation to be labeled by NGC or PCGS. I would assume the same for ANACS. Most rotated dies I have seen have been in the blue Anacs holders. Arguments have been had whether the rotations are CW or CCW. My experience is that most rotations are CW. The second coin I have seen with many rotations are the War Nickel (silver). Value depends on grading, year and whether it is an unusual coin to be found in rotated status. Rotated Cents must be at least 90 percent to be worth anything. Check a few auction sites and you might run across something you like. It's a specialized area and I have only seen ONE collection of all rotated morgans of varying degrees. If you have all of these coins you have a small gold mine. 1 @ VF20-35 1 @ XF40-45 2 @ AU55 1 @ AU58 See my original post t https://goccf.com/t/70248#568635 |
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Here is the Twenty Cent pice mentioned a couple lines up. Not the best image (lighting) but I wanted to show it before I forgot (again);   Edited by oih82w8
06/25/2012 09:19 am
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They seem to be rare among moderns, but I haven't see that much interest in them. I've got a couple nickels.  |
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Hang on to that coin if you can *** Edited by Staff - Please Review the rules that you agreed to when you registered. *** |
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i think I am up to about 30 Indian cents rotated at least 90 degrees. very few people collect them - but I know which are rare and which are common and keep my eyes open for the rare ones. for Indians worth less than $15, they add about $20 of value. for a key date, they might not add any premium. |
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Hi, The last two rotated die coins I purchased were supposed to have been 45 degree rotated coins. When they arrived one was 40 degrees and the other was 35 degrees. Although the coins were not off that much it bothered me because the seller shipped a product that was not what it was promoted as in the obverse-only and reverse-only photos. I guess in the future I will insist that the seller of rotated die coins first send me (before shipping it) a picture of the coin with its reverse showing in a mirror directly behind it. The attached photo clearly displays a coin with zero degrees of rotation:  Just keep in mind that the mirror image will contain the inverted reflection lettering of the reverse side which takes a bit to adjust to. fyi, mdpmedia |
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That doesn't look like zero degrees of rotation. The Lincoln is upright so the base of the memorial should be horizontal for zero degrees. In your image it looks like it might have 5 to 70 degrees of rotation. (Which would be within mint tolerances.)
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That doesn't look like zero degrees of rotation Hello, I think my first photo used a tilted coin which was not parallel to the mirror's surface. Below one will find the same exact coin in a position parallel to the mirror which shows no rotation. IMHO, mdpmedia  |
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i think 3 out of 4 coins advertised as having 90 degree rotations have actually been 75-85 degree rotations. Kind of annoying since I only collect 90 degrees or more.
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I have a 1976-S proof nickel with a rotated die. what would this be worth?
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The Silver Searcher: How much is it rotated?
There are no known proof nickels from that year that are rotated more than 90 degrees.
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I have an 1864 2 Cent with a 135* rotated reverse. Is that rare? Input please. Thanks, Dan
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Die rotation on the 1864 is common usually around the 180° mark but I have seen aything from a few degrees to 180. The later years its less common.
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