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This NCLT Forum Going The Way Of Rfd... For Better Or Worse?

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 Posted 03/31/2013  08:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EOCanuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Im not a dealer, purely here for collector information and I believe that even the flippers talk has been extremely educational. It has informed me about how many shady people there are and can be in this industry. I think its important to look at it with a distinction....the authorized dealers are pretty straight forward and while they will raise the profit margin once the coin sells out, that is not their sole mission and they pay taxes on what they sell. I have been totally turned off buying from the flippers as I have seen it stated that they want:
1- the MC limit upped so less people have access to it
2- the mintage reduced so that the coins are more valuable
3- the limit removed so that only the elite can buy out all the stock and set their own price.

When that gas company does this every one calls it price fixing, or gouging. The statements being seen on this forum about how much I can profit from the people is eye opening and I believe an educational asset to the new comers as to the darker side of the hobby. Its almost like seeing dudes on street corners trying to sell Rolex watches that fell off a truck, buyer beware

Thats my rant, like it or lump it! I collect coins because I like how they look, and if I decide to sell its because I have lost my love for it.

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 Posted 03/31/2013  08:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dooby Rak to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is an old discussion. It was offered up some time ago that a new forum be created just for reason:

https://goccf.com/t/142549

64% of the people responded with:


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I feel it is all part of collecting and is part of a full informative conversation.


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I don't think that this is necessary



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I would prefer that 'Coin Flipping' not be discussed


Personally I could care less if the forum was split, but judging by the consensus and popular opinion, discussing coin for any other reason other than profit will be the sub forum

I don't disagree that flipping has become a popular issue. If segregation is required to bring calm then so be it. But be true to yourself, which forum are you going to spend more time in, the true numismatic forum or the for profit forum?
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 Posted 03/31/2013  09:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The CCF is full of learners and experienced folks, and the numismatic scholastic quality and tone of the posts will vary.
I have learned a great deal about numismatics since joining the CCF, despite the fact that I have been a continuously active collector for 40 years.

I hope some of my posts have helped others, and I hope that I have given a few laughs as well, along the way.

I do not use the CCF for buying and selling. I have a wide range of personal reasons for not doing so.
I sometimes DO bid at major auctions, with varying success.
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 Posted 03/31/2013  09:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cowboy905 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think this may be just a temporary thing as it looks like we're at a critical point with NCLT coins. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Canadian Mint NCLT coins are selling at an alltime high. there's more collectors than there has ever been. we're seeing almost every coin release sell out yet the mintages keep getting higher and higher. naturally there will be flippers when this happens but at the same time, it might be a phase.
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 Posted 03/31/2013  09:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add barriecarson to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I starting reading this forum for the knowledge and information that was being offered by the fellow forum members. As more and more threads are published that contain less about coin collecting informatin and knowledge, I find I'm not enjoying them as much.
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 Posted 03/31/2013  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sodude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You might as well get used to the flippers. They are going to multiply and overrun the place like cockroaches.

When you get inexperienced people doing it, they run all over the internet bragging about it and attracting others to do the same. They don't even realize that they are hurting their own profits. If they hadn't alerted everyone, they probably could have gotten more of the glass coins for themselves. But they are happy bragging and spoiling their own bed. LOL.

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 Posted 03/31/2013  10:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you are going to buy NCLT, the Mint usually publishes a lot of supporting information with the issue.
UNLESS, of course, the issue is to be of only a few hundred or less, but that rarely happens.

Therefore at the time of issue and in most cases, not much scholarly information need be researched.
This makes it easier for the newer collectors, and that is the way the Mint should make it, in order to expand their market.

If you are thinking of buying into an NCLT issue that was made 10 years ago, that is where the experienced collector of NCLT can really contribute.
The Mint itself would have little interest at this point. They SHOULD have made their profit 10 years
previously. Good luck to the investor if the issue of 10 years ago has proven to be a good one, and better than the Mint had anticipated.
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 Posted 03/31/2013  11:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MJT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think NCLT is just a totally different world to coin collecting. Thus the difference in opinion when someone collects decimals. I collect both.
For decimal collectors, these are the items discussed:
Grades on my coin
This coin I have might be a new variety
I picked this coin at a crazy deal when it is a variety I am looking for
Look at the die clash
Could you guys see the tiny error or the crown and the doubling
I think my coin is undergraded
I am going to the coinshow
No ending

For NCLTcollectors:
Who is ICCS
Mint has a new product
They are sold out
People are flipping sold out coins and crazy prizes
End of story ( lets wait for new product cycle)

I think its quite unfair to just criticize nclt forum with discussions of flipping coin and profit because there are nothing to discuss about NCLT coin. The only thing they could discuss is how an item is sold out or if an item is going to be sold out which leads to the discussion of fliiping.

I love old decimal coins and I collect them, never for resale and only selling when I am upgrading. It is the game.

I love the new designs of NCLT coins, I did not want to get ripped off buying expensive on ebay. If possible I would like to get my NCLT coin for free from flipping. It is the game
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 Posted 03/31/2013  11:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VanguardKnight to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From tocoins: "I personally think a sub-forum will help deal with the elephant in the room. We can selectively choose where to post and what to read. RFDer can benefit from a better forum structure. There's room for everyone."

I think that would be a good remedy for the situation. This way you can place your information in the correct category, and share it with the personnel who feel they can benefit from it the most. But I would be wary of creating a "CCF-RFD" sub-forum. The RFD forum is there for a reason. This would end up diluting the participation in the RFD thread.

The new sub-forum should be unique enough to separate itself from the CCF NCLT and RFD forums.
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 Posted 03/31/2013  1:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dialog_gvf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@MJT:

On just the one cent silver set, I posted:

Why didn't they make the large cent designs the proper form factor?

Isn't it disappointing that political correctness gets us "1" instead of "ONE"?

I think you're proving the need for a separate section.
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 Posted 03/31/2013  1:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add poboxw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There should still be plenty to talk about:
- inquiry on older NCLT
- the RCM https://goccf.com/t/145480
- errors https://goccf.com/t/144339
- displays https://goccf.com/t/144529
- ideas for design https://goccf.com/t/142945
- damage and protection https://goccf.com/t/142760
- events https://goccf.com/t/142094
- unlisted coins https://goccf.com/t/142754
- comparisons https://goccf.com/t/104723 and https://goccf.com/t/80418 and https://goccf.com/t/81117

But now you'd really have to dig to find informative threads like these. Instead, a new member visiting this forum would be more informed about how to long they have to wait on the phone for a sold out coin and how many coins one member has purchased over another than they would the difference between specimen and proof.

I'm not one-sidely blasting all the current threads. I have myself benefited from them, finding out about new releases, being able to find sold out coins at reasonable prices, knowing what is a lost cause or not, and posting threads like these myself. But, it seems like that's all there is now.

Ah well~~
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 Posted 03/31/2013  2:29 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Personally, I think DBM summed it up best....

https://goccf.com/t/88468&whichpage=3


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If only knowledgeable collectors purchased coins,sales of NCLT would all but vanish
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 Posted 03/31/2013  5:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add poboxw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
bit unfair
I'm sure you yourself collect NCLTs
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 Posted 03/31/2013  6:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add loonar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When the price is going too high, I simply strike the coin from my list as there are always some other beautiful coins available for reasonable price.

Honestly I can't understand all the hype for the butterfly and grandmother moon, to me even their issue prices are overpriced.
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 Posted 03/31/2013  6:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dooby Rak to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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If only knowledgeable collectors purchased coins,sales of NCLT would all but vanish


I did not realize there was so much animosity between real coin enthusiasts and us moronic collectors of shiny colored bits of metal.

I would have to say that comment is as valid as saying if you understood racing you would not watch NASCAR. Even if we were discussing art at its purest level eventually price would come up. NCLT may not be coins in the purest sense, but in my opinion are much more fun to collect than a coin with some mark on it that makes it more valuable.

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03/31/2013 6:41 pm
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