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I recently had two of my coins called out as fakes. Can someone take a look and render an opinion? Thanks. You guys do good things with this forum. Your input means a lot and is most helpful. (The differences between the two pictures of each coin is due to one being a scan, the other being a photograph.)   Edited by ShowMeTheMagic
01/15/2014 02:32 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I don't see anything wrong with them.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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I can't pick them as fakes from these pictures.
Perhaps they may be TOO good to be true. They are all VERY well centred, aren't they?
They need to be at least XRF tested.
Data bases also need to be checked, to see if identical examples exist.
I would like to examine them in hand with a 10x loupe, before I would commit myself to a more definite opinion, and compare them with some excellent fakes from a 'black' collection.
My own 'black' collection does not have near examples of these, but a leading coin dealer that I know, would have an extensive enough 'black' reference collection to have and example with which to compare.
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sel_691: Yes, they ARE very well centered, but such examples do exist. I would be willing to let you examine them "in hand." What would your services cost me, as I really do want to settle this matter. I have consulted one database (besides here), thus far, as I'm not as well versed on these things. I'm sure there are other sites and resources... I just don't know where all of them are located. Let me know how you'd like to proceed. And thank you for your time.
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I see what you are talking about SEL. I was thinking the same, but mostly about the Diadumenian because I've seen a few of Macrinus like this. The Diadumenian is in great shape and here is the same coin, http://www.ebay.com/itm/Diadumenian...81299970582.EDIT: That is why I can see the caution of the Diadumenian coin and I would hesitate to say if it was real, the same for the Macrinus if they came from the same source. Edited by dwayne8625
01/15/2014 06:05 am
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Hmm, Dwayne your link does not work, or it has been taken down in 27 minutes.
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Very hard to determine with the small sized pics and a definitive answer would probably require close in hand examination. The Macrinus does look suspicious for being so very very perfect. Not impossible but certainly a reason to wonder. The fields just look so smooth I can see why someone might be skeptical. The Diadumenian looks to be less 'perfect' and has some rougher spots which make it a bit easier to 'swallow'. But a clever manufacturer of modern fakes would no doubt be smart enough to make some effort to 'age' his products. The combination of the two extremely rare Emperors in XF quality is another indicator too. Lets face it ..... make fakes of Severus Alexander and Gordian III and you need make quite a large pile to pay off all the lawyers.
I long ago simply threw in the towel and gave up on ancient silver. I found I could be fooled often enough that I no longer trusted my own opinions. Not a very happy condition. Fortunately the search for nicely patinated antique bronze has kept me quite busy for almost 30 years with no end in sight. There are bronze fakes too .... I just feel more confident about spotting them. Although even that is getting more difficult all the time
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Sorry pish try now. Biancasdad I think it might be a die match.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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The Diadumenian is looking like a die match for the coin on forvmancientcoins Toronto Group forgeries. Did you buy both coins together?
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 to the community I would have liked to seen slightly larger pictures, but what I can tell from these I don't see anything wrong with either coin. They are well centered and well struck, with as struck details. While not common in this condition, they do exist. What is he size and weight of each coin? |
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The Diadumenian is certainly a die match for the Toronto group fake. The Macrinus, on the other hand, just seems too good to be true. There are very few examples online, and none of them are in anything like such good condition as this one. That doesn't mean that it is a fake, of course, but it does set alarm bells ringing. Larger photos and size and weight would help a bit.
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Yes - I'm afraid the news is not good for these two coins.
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They are very well made, they looked real to me from just the pictures.
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United States
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Wow, so many answers so quickly! I REALLY appreciate ALL of you! One thing I've noticed is on those fakes you've linked me to, they look (for lack of better word) blotchy. The lettering is not as sharp as the coins I presented. Yes, they very well may be from the same dies, but why would the ones I have be struck so sharp and clear, when the others are so dull and, well, blotchy? (Really, I can't think of a better word, at the moment.) And please don't think I'm questioning your expertise in this matter. I turned to all of you exactly for that reason... your expertise! One of you asked if I bought them together. No, I did not. I bought them well over 5 years ago, many months apart and from two completely unrelated sources. Luckily, that was at a time when the Roman coins weren't as outrageously expensive as they are these days. And, it would appear I got snookered on both. Well, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. You live, you learn, you move on. Anyone interested in a couple really nice forged coins, one Macrinus denarius and one Diadumenian denarius? I have a fantastic Orbiana fake, too, but I knew it was fake from the start. I'm open to offers. If not, then they'll all just get put into storage... CLEARLY labeled so that if anything should happen to me, my heirs won't think they've got a couple real moneymakers on their hands! THANK YOU ALL again for the guidance and input! It truly is appreciated!
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