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Gold Kennedy Half....requirement For A Complete Set?

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 Posted 08/18/2014  10:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DCM Coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I consider the Gold Kennedy to be a coin since it is a product of the mint and has a legal tender value.

I'll state this again.....I didn't want to vote "yes" but did since I consider it to be a half dollar coin. Intended usage does not come into play here. I know it will never be *used* as a half dollar coin but that's what it is.
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 Posted 08/18/2014  11:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tkbslc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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So who wants to sell me one for 50 cents? I will give a 1972 Ike for two of them. Any takers, or is this "thing", not a coin? Someone willing to put their money where their mouth is? Anyone?

Didn't think so, not a coin.


By that logic, no silver coin "things" are still coins. Nobody would sell you a silver coin for face value, either.



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 Posted 08/18/2014  6:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eSinger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lets not argue.....


Do you think it will be listed as part of the set of Kennedy halves. That is the meat of the question.
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 Posted 08/19/2014  10:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shadz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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By that logic, no silver coin "things" are still coins. Nobody would sell you a silver coin for face value, either.


Then explain the 51 quarter I got in change last week? Explain the 10 or so 60s Kennedy halves I got from the 10 boxes plus looses rolls from the bank? Explain the silver Roosie I got from one of the boxes form the bank? The War Nickels?


These coins were sold to me for EXACTLY face value. The reason being, they ARE coins. You cannot go into the bank and ever get this gold thing because it isn't money.


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As part of this service relationship, the Fed sells and redeems U.S. government securities such as savings bonds and Treasury bills, notes and bonds. It also issues the nation's coin and paper currency. The U.S. Treasury, through its Bureau of the Mint and Bureau of Engraving and Printing, actually produces the nation's cash supply and, in effect, sells the paper currency to the Federal Reserve Banks at manufacturing cost, and the coins at face value. The Federal Reserve Banks then distribute it to other financial institutions in various ways.


If it didn't go through the Fed, it isn't money, nor a coin. Right or wrong, that is how the Federal Reserve System works. So for my money (pun intended) that will be my definition of a coin as has developed through this thread. Meaning the 1970 S dime I found is a novelty item like any other proofs or that P looking cent with the treasury symbol on it (Think it is a Philadelphia Mint token)m and all the proof halves I have found. Only reason I will keep any is because a folder has a hole for them and I want to fill the folders save for the messed up pennies where nobody could just make a set for copper, then zinc; or the 10 or so quarters in the folder ending 1998 prior to the State Quarter nonsense.

Which means I no longer have to chase P & D ATB Quarters because I didn't do it with the states, and have a little more money now when I get rid of one of each that do not go in the folder I have for ATBs.
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You cannot go into the bank and ever get this gold thing because it isn't money.
At some point in the future one of the gold Kennedy half dollars will be spent. It will happen for the same reason why we see proofs and other NIFC coins in change, because the people who inherit or steal them do not know what they have.

The gold Kennedy half dollar is a coin. Whether or not you decided to collect it is entirely up to you.

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At some point in the future one of the gold Kennedy half dollars will be spent.


The thought of that happening sickens me. With the fineness of the gold, it will be easily scratched, and any premium above melt that it would have is immediately lost.

I also agree with you, it will happen.
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Regarding an earlier post that mentions that because this "coin" didn't go "through the FED" it isn't money is technically a false statement. If my memory is correct only paper currency is managed by the FED. Coins are managed by the Treasury. Am I correct?
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Coins are shipped to the banks through the Federal Reserve.
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It will never make it to the banks in a box thought because someone at Loomis, Gardis (I now know a local bank that uses Gardis [insert dancing banana]), and Brinks persons would quickly buy it up before it ever has a chance to get rolled or it would be taken out like any other wrongly colored coin.

Yup, the FRB has to buy the coins at face value from the Mint to distribute them to banks, but only buys the bills are cost to produce them. That is where seigniorage comes into play as I was discussing in that whole "Remove the $1 bill for the dollar coin and remove the nickel and penny" thread. It is even in the quote right above that the Fed has to buy the coins at face value. (see Federal Reserve System)
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It will never make it to the banks in a box thought because someone at Loomis, Gardis (I now know a local bank that uses Gardis [insert dancing banana]), and Brinks persons would quickly buy it up before it ever has a chance to get rolled or it would be taken out like any other wrongly colored coin.
One would hope! Imagine seeing that find posted in the JFK thread!
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If there was a slot for it in an album I would agree that the coin is needed have a complete set. But that being said I do have a complete set of ASE's and have a true completed set with all the anniversary sets the mint has put out.

It comes down to my choice of what I feel that a complete set would consist of.

I'm very tempted to get this coin, but really at what point do we stop jumping through hoops for coins that are really only collector items?

Part of me wants the coin and the part that controls the wallet is saying that I'm out of my mind. It's a tussle.
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I see too many silver finds there by others I had to take a break because it was disheartening. one of the gold kennedy's there would probably put me in the hospital either from exciement for the one who found it, or disappointment.

knowing my luck I will be the one who finds it and NEVER find my 1964D or 1965!
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Is it REQUIRED? Hard question and easy at the same time.

I voted yes.

Why?

B/c I had to look at what would motivate ME (not necessarily others - note that) to say otherwise. And I found a little voice inside me saying, "If a coin is too expensive, you will never own it anyway. So to make yourself happy; and to make sure you can say, "I own a COMPLETE set;" vote NO!

Oh well.

CCF is what FORCED me (tied my hands and everything) to become a Kennedy half specialist when I slobbered over the roll searching finds of others on this forum.

So here is the progression of my thoughts about "complete," and how I found there technically is no such thing. A complete set must contain...

1. A typical specimen of every circulated coin;
2. add clad proofs to the above;
3. add silver proofs to the above (don't forget the Accented Hair variety!);
4. add the 1998 Matte silver proof to the above (hey... its JFK, and reads HALF DOLLAR!);
5. add major DDOs, and no FG varieties to the above;
6. add satin finish halves from mint sets from 05-10 to the above;
7. add the expensive, mint-gotcha, what-is-it-really, special, much-hype-over, commemorative gold "thing" embossed with JFK and HALF DOLLAR to the above (but its Soooo beautiful!).

If all of the above is ever accomplished, I will still have a desire to find more to add to the set b/c of the fun of a new acquisition. So I have a feeling I will start asking myself just how much doubling makes a DDO variety worthy of inclusion? Do I NEED all of the DDR's? Hey, what about those couple of dates known to have severe die rotation?

Only until I find the degree of ridiculousness I am willing to go for a new find to outweigh my desire to acquire a new find, will I find the word... "complete."
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Earle42

HI! How ya been?

I agree with your line of thinking, that is why I have one. I have also been thinking I could have my 64-67 DCAMs for around the same monies but this was one I really wanted and I think the price will be moot once Gold Climbs.


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"Hey, what about those couple of dates known to have severe die rotation"
Hey which Kennedy's are you talking about? I have only a 73. 88's are the only ones I have heard of?
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"Hey, what about those couple of dates known to have severe die rotation"

Hey which Kennedy's are you talking about? I have only a 73. 88's are the only ones I have heard of?


There are other dates for Kennedy half dollars with rotated dies but the 1965 SMS and 1988 P from that year's Mint Sets are the most publicized.

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