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I am late to the party, but my 1st instinct in looking at the posted coin is that it is fake. Something just looks off to me.
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Quote:Looks closest to VAM4 to my eyes. http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.c...891-CC_VAM-4In hand maybe you can see the die markers and the slight C/C. I agree, but the OP example does not have the G in God filled in for it to be a VAM 4. There is also some die scratches that can be checked in hand. A die scratch up to the top of the W in We and to the bottom or the R in Trust. See photos below- Genuine VAM 4 G in God filled in  OP Example G not filled in  |
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Quote:I agree, but the OP example does not have the G in God filled in for it to be a VAM 4. There is also some die scratches that can be checked in hand. Maybe the filled G is a late die state. The full coin images show one without the filled G but with the die scratches, and a more worn example with filled G but without die scratches. I'm definitely not a VAM guy though, I just look at pictures. Here's one https://coins.ha.com/itm/morgan-dol...bnail-071515 without filled G, without die scratches, and with a crack from rim through OF. Other examples don't show any crack. So they polished off the die crack before the filled G formed? |
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No shipping info, yet. I expect it may be on the way in a day or so.
"Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
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The look of the coin and the price you paid for it tells you everything you need to know about the coin.
Maybe they haven't shipped it because they saw this thread and are rethinking the sale (?).
Nothing surprises me anymore.
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Grade and authenticity hard to argue, but they dumb amaze me. I shouldn't even be offering opinions on coins like this.
Edited by Coinfrog
12/05/2023 9:05 pm
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"Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
Edited by Bump111
12/11/2023 3:47 pm
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They will test through the slab.
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Coin does look different in these new photos.
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I still don't like the looks of it. Counterfeits are often composed of the correct metal alloy so the XRF doesn't mean much.
Why would it sell for $50 when it's worth 3x or 4x that much if genuine?
EDIT: PCGS has certified counterfeits in the past. Several years ago there were some on the market they bought back.
Edited by BH1964
12/11/2023 1:25 pm
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VAM 6 OP  Genuine  The genuine example has more wear than the OP, so the genuine may look a little thicker. The CC position appear to be correct. I am leaning that the coin is genuine, but I still do not like the rounded numbers in the date. The date on a genuine Morgan has a flatness on the top of the numbers.
Edited by Slider23
12/11/2023 5:53 pm
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I took this old gal to my LCS. The XRF (as compared to a known genuine Morgan in a PCGS slab of similar generation) indicates that this coin is silver. So, if this counterfeit, it is composed of silver. Given that the certification numbers on either side of this one indicate submissions by the auction house where I purchased, I'm concluding that it is genuine.
I'm still not sure why the PCGS certification page says this coin is in someone's registry set. I'm guessing that is a mistake of some sort. Can't get them to respond to two inquiries.
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I don't know much about registry sets but can't somebody sell their coin and just leave it in their set? I don't think PCGS polices this any better than they do their population counts.
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