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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I noticed the ebay category: Coins & Paper Money > Coins: Canada > Replicas & Reproductions What about patterns, fantasy coins, are these illegal to sell also? Shouldn't we focus our attention on REAL fakes out there... as opposed to obvious replicas / proof coins with "COPY" written on them? |
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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So just give up? How many of these items actually have the word copy on them by the time you see them? I'm not even a dealer but I still have people trailing fakes in to my house because they think they have a winner and want to see how their new find would grade or where to send it. No, I'm not going to stop doing what I can. For example, It's illegal in the US to do many things that aren't illegal here. Should I ignore the US laws I don't like and continue to do business there anyhow? It's Illegal in most states to sell liquor to those under 21 but it's legal here for those who are 19 or older. Should I set up a legal (legal on my side of the border) shipping business selling high proof ethanol to those 19-21 at 160 proof labeled in ebay ads as "mouthwash" "oral hygiene rinse" under the guise of filling some need? Should I subsequently pretend to be shocked when someone gets drunk on the product? "Why, I never intended it to be consumed, tsk, tsk. Every bottle is marked "rinse and spit" " |
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Valued Member
Canada
426 Posts |
Good job everyone, the auction has been removed.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Yup, I got my email from ebay saying they removed it today  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2408 Posts |
I agree with both sides in this case. But... The coins in question contain markings that advertise them as such. They are usually advertised on ebay under the replica category. Otherwise, these items are easily recognizable because they are typically proofs - or replicas of extremely rare items like the $1 1911. Technically, it would be impossible to market or re-sell them as originals. Unsuspecting buyers fooled or led to believe the coins were genuine numismatic rarities, worth thousands of dollars are unfortunate casualties. But the markings say "COPY". What else can I say? Speaking of the replica coins, I actually bought a few to educate myself. I visited China and did see peddlers selling fake watches, coins and other artifacts and was just curious to compare the quality of their work. The proof coins are very good. Very very good actually. The technology is definitely out there. So this makes me think. While we persecute and try to shut down inconsequential operations we may bring those "clandestine" manufacturers to produce REALLY REALLY good fakes out there - without the "COPY" markings... Lets pick our battles. |
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Canada
650 Posts |
Interesting post, and glad e-bay pulled the listing, fakes and reproductions should be shunned by all collectors. It deflates the value of collections of all kinds.
We should be pro-active as collectors and present this to the organisation that is proposing the counterfeit, copy right and branding agreement. There are some 38 countries that are currently considering some sort of heavy duty rules internationally for manufacture , distribution,importation and even possession of illegally produced product or intellectual property. This would cover everything from Cd's,DVDs,clothing , watches , jewelry, art you name it ,coins I don't know but it should be considered.
I will have to try and see If I can look up what the name of the agreement is,or if any one knows post it. It sounded strong to curtail counterfeiting ,actually from what I heard it was draconian and far from the civil liberties we think we have. Any way, the coin community should look into it while there may still be time for input.
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United States
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MrCanada,
I am with you on fakes - and coins purposely manufactured to fool the buyer. I am totally opposed to music, movie and software pirating and 100% for protecting intellectual property, copyrights and patents.
But I don't think a Picasso with "Replica" painted on it has any impact on the value of a real one.
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Technically, it would be impossible to market or re-sell them as originals. Unsuspecting buyers fooled or led to believe the coins were genuine numismatic rarities, worth thousands of dollars are unfortunate casualties. But the markings say "COPY". What else can I say? A lot of the sellers advertise (and show a picture) of the fake coin with the word "copy" on it, but the coins they actually ship are not stamped that way at all. Have no idea about this seller. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Steve,
If this is the case then yes, it is a problem. But again, no matter how you look at it, the technology has matured and the replicas are out there.
Going after the "legitimate fakes" will not do any good to deter the fakers. As we push them underground, we may in fact make matters worse.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
636 Posts |
Hhmmm...I reported the schmuck as well, and I never got an eamil from ebay advising me they removed it..hhmmm. |
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Valued Member
Canada
426 Posts |
canadian_coins: like Steve said, maybe this isn't a "legitimate" fake. The image has the word copy but that is not necessarily on the coin. Ultimately it comes down to Canadian law and not an ebay policy. |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
693 Posts |
I have strong opinions about the "REPLICA" coins. I find it ludicrious to be be worried about forcing them "Under ground". The Americans can be as whimpy about it as they wish......let the hobby they love get destroyed....but not in Canada. Counterfeit is counterfeit....bottom line.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2408 Posts |
crf, Are you saying replicas are all the same as counterfeits? This is a little bit off the chart don't you think? What about RCM's own replicas ... |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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RCM is authorized BY LAW to produce these.All coins produced by the RCM are technically legal tender!!
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
693 Posts |
Any coin "made to even resemble" a canadian coin is counterfeit. So no, I do not think it off the chart.
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