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My Frankfurt-On-The-Main 1863 Project

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 Posted 07/15/2013  09:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Another Thaler added - this ruler did not attend the congress - nor did he send a deputy. Lippe-Detmold was quite a small principality. An interesting factoid is that the composer Johannes Brahms was a member of the prince's household between 1857 and 1859 was was a personal music teacher to his sister Princess Friederike. The princely family still owns the estate and castle at Detmold - though not quite the direct line from Leopold but from relatives from the Lippe-Biesterfeld line.

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Leopold III, Prince of Lippe
1858 1 Thaler
Ob. PAUL FRIEDRICH EMIL LEOPOLD FURST Z. LIPPE
Rev. EIN VEREINSTHALER XXX EIN PFUND FEIN
Edge: MUNZVERTAG VOM 24 JANUAR 1857
Silver 0.9000
18.520g
mintage: 26,000
Mint: Berlin
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 Posted 07/25/2013  06:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes !

Arrived this morning - An elusive coin for which I had to spend far too much but which I really wanted. There is a very low mintage - but this particular coin seems to be much more difficult to get than others of similar mintages - perhaps some were recalled and melted.

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Heinrich XXII
1868 1 Thaler
Ob. HEINRICH XXII V.G.G. ALT. L. SOUV. FURST REUSS
Rev. EIN VEREINSTHALER XXX EIN PFUND FEIN
Edge: OMNIA CUM DIO
Silver 0.9000
18.520g
mintage: 7,100
Mint: Berlin


The princely family of Reuss traces its descent to the Emperor Heinrich I of Germany, surnamed the Fowler, who died in 936. All the heads of house ever since the commencement of the 11th century have been called Heinrich. At first the succeeding generations were distinguished by descriptives, such as the Rich or the stout but subsequently they adopted numbers. In the year 1701 it was settled in a family council that the figures should not run higher than 100 beginning again at 1. Previous to 1814 there were three reigning houses of Reuss, but the congress of Vienna mediatised the branch of Schleiz-Kostritz. The sovereign of Reuss Greiz at the time of the photo had an income of £23,200 though he is in his own right very wealthy and owns personally the greater part of the territory.

The whole legislative and executive power was vested in the prince. He had one minister who performed the function of private secretary. The thinking of the time was that he was uncontrolled in his actions and irresponsible for his deeds â€" likely a reason for his non attendance.

The census in 1861 places nearly all of the 42,130 population of the territory as Lutherans and the total area covered was 148 square miles.

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 Posted 07/25/2013  08:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wonghinghi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice and appreciated!
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 Posted 07/26/2013  7:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add plonker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for sharing, I love these thalers , specially the court of arms / shields. Where can you find more finer looking designs other than in German thalers ?
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 Posted 09/07/2013  09:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another contemporary coin that fits in with my "thalers and friends" theme.

Ferdinand II of the two Sicilies
1855 120 grana
Ob. FERDINANDVS II. DEI GRATIA REX.
Rev. REGNI VTR. - SIC. ET HIER.
Edge: PROVIDENTIA OPTIMI PRINCIPIS
Silver 0.8329
Weight: 27.53g, 37mm



Quite an easy coin to get - though many are well worn. It seems to have been a well used denomination


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 Posted 01/30/2014  2:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gwyde to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
About the only on your opening post picture, who never had his image coined on any silver coin (accounting for other denominations but Thaler) is Henry, prince of the Netherlands (and the son of former King William III of the Netherlands).

Below a large bronze 10 Centimes coin of 1854:

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As prince Henry died childless, he was followed-up by his distant relative Adolphe, duke of Nassau till 1866, who -perhaps not remarkably- is also on your picture.
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 Posted 01/30/2014  2:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi, yes, if you click on the link to my page thats the coin I use as a place marker for Henri. I'm keeping my eye out for a medal which might be better.
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 Posted 01/31/2014  08:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gwyde to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Luxemburg coinage has been a bit problematic through its entire history.

Prior to 1863, the (to my knowledge) last silver coin was the 72 Sols issued under emperor Franz II in 1795 (under Austrian rule, as were the Austrian Netherlands).

http://www.ngccoin.com/poplookup/wo...oinid=238234

This currency disappeared after the french revolution. After 1815, the King of the Netherlands also was reigning Luxemburg, even after Belgian independence. Dutch guilders may have been used for a while, but eventually Belgian and French francs (which were equivalent in the Latin monetary union) must have prevailed, hence the centimes coined locally. After WW-I, the Latin monetary union was broken up and all but the Swiss franc devaluated.

Luxemburg issued coins with face value above 1 LUF only since the 1920's. In 1929, silver coins of 5 and 10 LUF were issued under Grand Duchess Charlotte. (The first silver coins since 1795.)
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 Posted 03/28/2015  04:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
After a long hiatus I added another thaler to my project

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Ernest Augustus
1851 1 Thaler
Ob. ERNST AUGUST KOENIG VON HANNOVER
Rev. BERGSEGEN DES HARZES above crown EIN THALER XIV EINE F. M.
Ed.TERRENT NEC ASPERA
Silver 0.9930
16.820g
mintage: 453,000
Mint: Hanover
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 Posted 03/29/2015  04:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GERMANICVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know how I missed this vary interesting thread. I admire your dedication, Bacchus2! You haves posted some really nice coins of the rulers who attended the Fürstentag at Frankfurt in 1863.

I guess you have fully completed your project by now?

I also collect german coins of the 19th century, but tend to concentrate with the Napoleonic era.
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Thanks!

I sort of have ....

The one I'm really missing is Friedrich I (at the time he was Hereditary Prince of Anhalt-Dessau) He never issued a thaler but he did issue a 2 and 5 mark much later and both are quite pricey. I've just his fathers as a place marker until I see what I can do.

If you click the "congress of princes" link in my signature it will take you to the page where I've listed them. Scrolling over the picture gives the names as tooltips for reference.

It was a really fun project to do - so I'd like to expand on it.

The next step was to get a coin from every one who should have been there but wasn't and I've almost done that too with just something from the contemporary kings of Denmark and Württemberg to get to complete that.
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Another addition to this theme - excuse the terrible photo.

Ernst Louis ( 13/3/1892-9/11/1918 )
1910 3 Mark
Ob. ERNST LUDWIG GROSSHERZOG VON HESSEN
Rev. DEUTCHES REICH 1910 DREI MARK
Edge: GOTT MIT UNS
Silver 0.9000
Weight: 16.6670g, 33mm
mintage: 200,000

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 Posted 05/16/2016  5:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's been a while since I added a coin to this collecting area but I've bought a few recently.

One is this rouble from Russia. Not particularly scarce but most are very worn. This one still has a reasonable amount of detail on it so I'm happy to add it as it was at the right price.

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I've always wanted one of these. It's relevant to my general collection theme in that Maximilian I was the younger brother of the Hapsburg Emperor Franz Joseph I. He only reigned between 10 April 1864 - 19 June 1867 and after his death he was buried in Imperial Crypt, Vienna, Austria.

I think this is quite a nice one. Please note that the apparent scratch at the bottom of his beard is just a bit of fluff on the camera lens.

It's a 1 peso from Mexico City mint 1866.

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 Posted 05/24/2016  12:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GERMANICVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another nice coin in your Fürstentag 1863 Project.

Maximiliano - a tragic figure in history. From the grand halls of Vienna to die in front of a mexican firing squad.
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