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My Thoughts On Grading. PCGS And Others

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 Posted 11/27/2011  4:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
TPA, which ANACS originated on today's volume, is needed.

TPG has so many flaws that it was doomed from the start.

The argument was that a TPG coin can be traded sight unseen. Coins are unique, so that will never work. They tried to make it work in several ways:

  • refusal to grade anything but a "textbook" example, in effect saying coins were either "slobbable" or "worthless".
  • once they ran out of "textbook" examples, they realized they needed more potential inventory, and that a genuine coin doesn't go from $1000 > worthless because of an imperfection.
  • then they tried "market grading", which says "this au58 should bring a ms63 price, so it just became a ms63". The problem is, few buyers can agree on which au58 coins should be worth ms63 money. Worse, if the popularity of toning (for example) changes, you can end up with an au58 in an ms63 slob, which is now worth xf40 money.


The purpose of grading is to communicate the appearance in shorthand to some who can't see the item. If you have it in your fat furry paws, that's the grade; it looks exactly like what it looks like.

The solution is what the majority in this thread have suggested (and I pointed out decades ago): TPA and people learn how to grade for themselves (commonly known as "buy the coin, not the plastic").
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 Posted 12/07/2011  1:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexzwarenstein to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I really appreciate all the thoughts and discussions on this subject of grading. I will have to rethink my objections. I still find that the toning aspect is a bit tricky..on account of how easy it would be to forge. I totally get that a grubby coin that has passed from hand to hand embodies something like its history. but coins that have been sitting in a lousy piece of plastic and assumes a pattern like seeing Jesus in a piece of toast, should not be the business of 3rd party evaluation. God bless to the delusional chap who sees Jesus in the toast and wants to pay more for it.
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I've always found it interesting that no one knows what Jesus looked like until they see him in a moldy piece of cheesecake, then they know exactly.
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