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 Posted 12/06/2011  11:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If he gets blatant enough, he'll get NARUed, and have to sign up under a new name.
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 Posted 12/06/2011  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Even the ANA allows properly marked copies to be sold.
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 Posted 12/06/2011  11:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The guy's only potential infraction was not labeling it as a copy. Yes, that's a bannable offense, but it's difficult for me to sympathize with anyone who will bid up a coin which is plainly marked "COPY" in the provided images.
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I can't help but notice that many folks, even some in this thread, refer to these CC's, Coin Copies or Chinese Counterfeits, are "coins." IMHO, a big part of the problem is that these copies are labeled and even perceived by many collectors to be coins. ebay classifies coins in many sub-categories, principally so by type. While grading is subjective, a coin's denomination, type and other aspects are objective, as is its authenticity. Is it then not unreasonable for anyone selling coins to have to declare it as genuine or else list it as a coin copy under a separate category like reproductions? Then, if a buyer looks at coins, these copies wouldn't even appear. Would such a move by ebay not reduce the number of these incidents? What say you folks on this?

I agree that this 1831 listing is quite obvious, but other listings are not so. Sure, the buyer bears some responsibility, but ebay listings like this 1831 are something of a trap for the less-informed collectors.
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Interesting theory. Part of what makes ebay such an incredible marketplace is relatively low cost and huge volume.

What would ebay have to charge to monitor millions of new listings every day?
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https://goccf.com/ebay ebay /a such an incredible marketplace is relatively low cost and huge volume. br / br / What would a target= _blank id= keywords href= https://goccf.com/ebay ebay /a have to charge to monitor millions of new listings every day?" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">xo- br / br / Interesting theory. Part of what makes a target= _blank id= keywords href= https://goccf.com/ebay ebay /a such an incredible marketplace is relatively low cost and huge volume. br / br / What would a target= _blank id= keywords href= https://goccf.com/ebay ebay /a have to charge to monitor millions of new listings every day?

How's this sound? Every seller posts a modest bond with ebay. If they have no phony listings when they abandon ebay, the bond is rebated in full. Those who wrongfully list counterfeit items, coins or even otherwise, forfeit their bond.

As for policing the coin listings, ANA members, say five years in good standing, could perhaps be recruited. In return for finding a phony listing, their PayPal account would receive a modest credit, drawn from the bond fund.

Thoughts?
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There's no % in it for ebay to get rid of fakes. Maybe after they have to shell out a bunch of guarantee fees, that may change.

Haven't heard anything about the lady who bought 1000 Peace dollars for around $4000 from an ebay crook.
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