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1913 V Nickel

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 Posted 01/02/2012  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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well one dealer said for sure it is a 1913 but could not con firm if it is real. the other could not tell.and possible fake. so I'm sending it in to have it looked at.


It's not a "possible" fake, it's a "100% absolutely for sure" fake. If you want to waste your money to have someone tell you that, it's your money.

Most coin dealers know little more than what they can look up, and wouldn't know a fake if it bit them. That's why they pay millions of dollars to get coins slobbed.
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 Posted 01/02/2012  6:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Just asking questions...............


Nothing wrong with asking questions, but if you're not going to listen to the answers, why bother?
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 Posted 01/02/2012  6:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinstar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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well one dealer said for sure it is a 1913 but could not con firm if it is real


Id say hes 99.9% wrong but I cant confirm it..LOL

also justme6333--these guys arnt being butts about this--they are pretty much experts--with the rarity of this coin, its just really hard to believe there is another out there, its nothing personal.

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 Posted 01/02/2012  6:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We have a new member saying he thinks he has a rare coin, well.. my suggestion to him is to send it away to have it certified, if it's a fake, he has paid for a fake.
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I am glad you came here and asked about the coin, I really wish others would do the same thing before they try and sell or buy coins like this. As was stated above there were only 5 coins that have been proven that was minted in 1913 and all 5 have been found. I am not sure if the last ones were found after that "announcement" you copied was written or not but if not then that announcement is not correct. I can understand someone finding a coin with a rare date and getting all excited about it because I know I sure get a little jumpy when I think I have found something special also. If you want to be sure I would probably just send it to ANACS and have them either authenticate the coin or give an opinion of authenticity, you can do this without having to pay to join any collectors club and without having to get someone else to send it in for you. If they say its real you can then send it to PCGS or NGC in the ANACS slab and maybe get it crossed over for more resale value (then the price of joining the club would be well worth it). if it is determined to be real, history will have to be re-written from 5 minted to 6 and I am sure allot of other people will start looking allot harder than before. As was said the chances are pretty slim that it is real and I am talking less than .1% but as long as there is a chance and there is a question in your mind, then I say go for it and see what the outcome is
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Hmm... how do we know that only five were made? Since this was an illegally made coin, there are no official mintage statistics.

In fact, I have a Blue Book from 1956 that lists six 1913s being made.

My point is, sure we know that five were made and we have accounted for all of them. But how do we know that was it?
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 Posted 01/02/2012  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cd_god to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Hmm... how do we know that only five were made? Since this was an illegally made coin, there are no official mintage statistics.

In fact, I have a Blue Book from 1956 that lists six 1913s being made.

My point is, sure we know that five were made and we have accounted for all of them. But how do we know that was it?


The government is all wise and all knowing.

I was thinking the same thing. Just because they said 5 were made does not mean the janitor didn't fire up the presses after hours and make 50 more and bury them in the back yard and forget about them until the heat was off.
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If you want to be sure I would probably just send it to ANACS and have them either authenticate the coin or give an opinion of authenticity........As was said the chances are pretty slim that it is real and I am talking less than .1% but as long as there is a chance and there is a question in your mind, then I say go for it and see what the outcome is


I know you're the mod and all and you are just trying to be nice after some of the rest of us harshly shot down the idea of this being real. I just don't really know why you'd give this advice. This isn't like saying to your kid "if you wanna go out for the soccer team, try out and give it your best". Even at ANACS with no membership neccesary, do you know how much it would cost to have this coin checked out (and laughed at) by the staff. Sending in 1 coin, with insurance there and back (and since you'd have to declare it's value at 1M)....it would cost something like $80.

Why would you give advice to tell somebody to waste that much money when you too know for sure the coin is fake. The chance is not .1%...its .000000000000000001%. There's probably thousands of this coin out there fake. There were 5 minted for real (all at the same exact time), that's what has been documented. One person originally had all 5....and would have had a sixth if it existed. If there actually were more than 5, by now they would have turned up. If the OP is a new collector who has made a mistake, don't tell him to spend $80 to make an even worse one.
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I agree, seems like a case of wishful thinking to me. Not meaning to be harsh of course, but we have to be realistic here.
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If the government was all wise and all knowing there never would have been even one in the first place. The government didn't make them.


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I am not sure if the last ones were found after that "announcement" you copied was written or not but if not then that announcement is not correct.

It was found afterward. The announcement he quoted mentioned a 2001 sale, the fifth specimen, the missing Walton coin, resurfaced in I believe 2003.
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its just really hard to believe there is another out there, its nothing personal.


It's not hard, it's impossible.

There were five made. We know where they are and what they look like.

It's not like the 1894s dime, where we know 24 were made and fewer than half are accounted for.
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Take a good look. Heck, take a bad look.

1913-V-Nickel

Now name me one coin from this era, other than a fake 50d nickel made from a 59d, where the fourth digit is only half as high as the other three.

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In fact, I have a Blue Book from 1956 that lists six 1913s being made.

I have a 2001 where they corrected the error.
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I know you're the mod and all and you are just trying to be nice after some of the rest of us harshly shot down the idea of this being real. I just don't really know why you'd give this advice.


Because when someone comes here asking for advice, and everyone in sight gives them the exact same advice, yet they still refuse to believe it.... the next logical step is to try to get them to prove it to themselves.

I stand by this advice and would have given it myself. $80 is a very small price to pay for a priceless lesson.

The one thing that makes me sad is that we may lose a new collector on the forum, because he likely won't come back after ANACS tells him what you have all told him already. We've seen this dozens of times.
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Because when someone comes here asking for advice, and everyone in sight gives them the exact same advice, yet they still refuse to believe it.... the next logical step is to try to get them to prove it to themselves.


I see what you're saying and I could possibly buy that, but I would say that telling him to take it to a dealer would be enough of an alternative lesson learned. The OP said he did and the dealer told him "he wasn't sure if it was real"...not a likely story. Any dealer in a brick and mortar business would know at least as much to know for sure it was fake, or else they wouldn't be in business long.

This brings me back to what I said earlier-I'm not convinced this post was real. I still say it could have been a faker trying to test the waters and somebody who might have asked to sell it if I hadn't let the cat out of the bag. The OP never had a single thing to say in any other thread before, during, and after this 1913 business, yet "had been collecting coins since he was a kid." I doubt the posts here made by me, bigfred, and a few others hurt the feelings enough of a grown man to scare him away. I've seen posts made here by some amateur who thought they had something valuable and asked us about a 1920 Lincoln or something, but then disappeared because they didn't really care about coins. This thread didn't feel like that though. I guess I could still be proven wrong.
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