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Real post or fake, it still brings up a memory that really cemented coin collecting into my future. Back in the late 1970's some family friends were moving to our neck of the woods (Denver, CO). They stayed at our house for a month or so while house shopping, they had some old coins they said, when they saw me looking over my very meager collection and a coin price guide. So they found them in a box and we looked them over, coming to a coin a lot better shape than the OP's coin but still a 1913 V nickel. After being floored by the $250,000.00 price and with hopes high, my friend took me along on a trip to the ANA 50 miles South in Colorado Springs. We met with one of the early ANACS team members, Tom Delany I think. He patiently explained the whole 1913 nickle story to us and then spent some time examining our coin we brought along. Of course as you all know ours was a fake, but the small chance that week that there was a hidden treasure out there kept me looking for more, even if I'd never find a 1913 V Nickle. Years later a friend purchased a real one, and resold it shortly after. I've had the privilege to be able to hold several real ones in my hands and examine them close up, along with the 1804 dollars. Even a fake can be a helper in our hobby when used the correct way - to educate others.
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01/04/2012 04:22 am
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 Posted 01/03/2012  9:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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jpsned: In fact, I have a Blue Book from 1956 that lists six 1913s being made.

My point is, sure we know that five were made and we have accounted for all of them. But how do we know that was it?


Originally there was a holder that contained all known 5 1913 Nickles, it had 8 slots, the 5 1913 V nickles, and three slots for the Buffalo nickle that was replacing it. One Buffalo pattern coin in copper (unique), one pattern in nickle and the other a normal business circulation strike of normal composition and design.

A great article was written up in the ANA Numismatist September 2010 issue, pg. 43 by Jeff Reichenberger. If you are an ANA member you can access this on their member only section. Here is a link (if it doesn't work try the ANA website).

http://digital.ipcprintservices.com...i=78658&p=45

The article has the first published photo of the unique pattern and several of the custom holder for the nickles, it is currently owned by the Eric Newman Foundation.
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 Posted 01/03/2012  10:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hesgut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
westcoin; I think yours is a very nice story and it's good that the experience got you interested in collecting coins. I am also envious that you were able to examine a 1913 V nickel and an 1804 dollar. It would be like meeting royalty (or a celebrity if you may).

I could also see that going the other way though. I could see a complete new comer think they had something awesome only to discover its fake and just say "oh forget this"...or something similar with expletives. I just started collecting when I was given a half complete 1959-present Lincoln whitman folder when I was 5. I would look through my parent's change all the time to fill the remaining holes. It's difficult to draw an analogy with something like that, but I think if somebody told me, in theory, that my Lincoln set was just fake....that I would have quit forever.....and all you people would never have had to deal my many provocative posts on this forum.
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The article has the first published photo of the unique pattern and several of the custom holder for the nickles, it is currently owned by the Eric Newman Foundation.


It is worth noting that renowned Colonial Currency expert and fellow St Louis resident Eric Newman(still going strong at 100 years of age!) was also the last person to own all five 1913 nickels.
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Yep, cool story that is! All 5 at once! They had all 5 at the ANA a few years ago I recall, but to actually own them and to be able to spread them all out out on the jewlers pad at once to examine them, wow.
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I would never have recommended to see a dealer, because the typical dealer knows little or nothing about coins. Any idiot can hang out a shingle claiming to be a coin dealer, and quite a few do.
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I saw a special about a month ago on the lost Walton Family example. I think the show was called Hidden Treasure of something. Great story. If you can find it, it's worth watching.
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I would never have recommended to see a dealer, because the typical dealer knows little or nothing about coins. Any idiot can hang out a shingle claiming to be a coin dealer, and quite a few do.


I don't really think this is true. Some of the employees in the larger brick or mortar stores who just organize things don't know anything, but all the real dealers I know, know quite a bit. They are usually life ANA members and have been selling for many years. That doesn't mean they won't overgrade or overcharge people. I don't think a single dealer out there is incapable of knowing this 1913 is a fake.

I feel I must add that although I don't agree that dealers don't know anything, I do think many coin dealers have some of the worst social skills out of any human beings I've ever met. Jeeeeez.
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I don't think a single dealer out there is incapable of knowing this 1913 is a fake.

Then why did two of the tell the OP they weren't sure it was fake? Other than looking like fools, what did they gain?
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 Posted 01/05/2012  08:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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because the typical dealer knows little or nothing about coins.


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 Posted 01/05/2012  09:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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because the typical dealer knows little or nothing about coins.


Tell coppercoins that.
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Then why did two of the tell the OP they weren't sure it was fake? Other than looking like fools, what did they gain?


Read my other posts....because the OP's story was never true to begin with....at least that's what I think. Still no other posts from the "collector since he was a kid" outside of this thread.
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Coppercoins is not a "typical" dealer. A typical dealer is a generalist, not a specialist; he doesn't get to choose a specialty because anything at all could walk into his shop on a given day and he has to know how to make a buck from it, whatever it is. That precludes specializing.

Coppercoins is a Lincoln specialist of the highest order, and although (for instance) he's not a stranger to Morgans, I wouldn't go to him with an arcane VAM question.

I couldn't hazard a guess as to why any dealer would not render an opinion about the veracity of this coin; nobody in their right mind would believe it a genuine 1913. Just keep in mind, many dealers did not get into the profession because of their basic love of numismatics. In fact, I would think the opposite to be true because it's very difficult to be a dealer and a collector at the same time.
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Just keep in mind, many dealers did not get into the profession because of their basic love of numismatics. In fact, I would think the opposite to be true because it's very difficult to be a dealer and a collector at the same time.
Worth repeating.
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But to say they know little or nothing about coins.....
come on
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