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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'm not by no means familiar on this series but that scratch on the right side stretching from the wing into the fields is much more noticeable in these pictures than the previous pictures. But I would have thought that it would have been awarded a details grade if that was the issue. Perhaps it has been re-toned or has some environmental damage, in hindsight seeing the holder I have to question the color which does not look quite like others I have seen. It is close but a little off IMO. Still a very nice type coin that many collectors would clamor for to be part of their collection.
Edited by Joe2007 04/16/2012 12:38 am
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Rest in Peace
United States
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What they're calling ED may be what I didn't like about it. It seemed the color wasn't right to me, and that's something they give a "no grade" for. Glad to see it's genuine, tho, and identified, which is half the battle (did you mean they charged $100 for TPG?) Quote: This one would rate at least a low fine. Not entirely sure how much this grading devalues a coin. But as they say it is what it is. I dunno about the variety, but I don't think you'd be out of line expecting $2000-2500 retail.
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New Member
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Yes the color could be a little dark. The coin was wrapped up tightly in an old piece of note paper with writing and apparently had been that way for many years. So it could have toned the surface a bit. Still looking on line I've seen others with similar color. But when you put it through the grading process I guess they are the experts. I wonder after 200 plus years how any circulated early silver coin would not end up " environmentally damaged " Still a nice coin. I'm happy with it.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It is a wonderful coin. Experts, smexperts, their opinion is subjective and I have come to value the opinions on this site more than the TPGs. I have seen some with a slabbed coins with a no problem grade that have made me go  .
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New Member
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Thanks I think TPGs are like the Government. We have given them too much power.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I could not agree more with the last 2 statements by CoinsKelly  and summit315 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Awesome coin, terrific find. Just read the whole thread today.......I guess there are still lots of these stories out there to be had. Congrats!
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New Member
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Thank you! Sometimes ya just get lucky.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
9792 Posts |
Here is PCGS reasoning on code 97 which your coin has according to them:
Environmental Damage. Coins that are damaged because of improper storage may be rejected. Corrosion is caused by storage in areas of high humidity, sea salvage coins, and coins found in the ground. Toning that is excessively dark or heavy, or which burns into the surface of the coin, may be rejected.
I don't think it looks too bad from your photos, but in hand can always be another story especially under a good lamp with a loupe, something we here on CCF don't see. Still a very nice score, and now you know it's the real thing!
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Well I had the variety wrong, I'll chalk that up to the pictures, but I will say I have seen a lot worse early dollars (Harshly cleaned etc) slabbed in problem free slabs.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Having talked with a couple people who use to grade for NGC, they told me that they were paid by the number of coins they finished per day. They were the ones who told me they thought rush jobs were the cause of some slabs that people later question.
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New Member
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Interesting. you do wonder sometimes. I go back to the days before any TPGs and I think half the fun was figuring out what you or your collector friends thought the grade was. Good and bad in all things I guess.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
580 Posts |
Great story, great find. Congrats! 
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10038 Posts |
How much squash could a Sasquatch squash if a Sasquatch would squash squash? Download and read: Grading the graders Costly TPG ineptitude and No FG Kennedy halveshttps://ln5.sync.com/dl/7ca91bdd0/w...i3b-rbj9fir2
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Valued Member
United States
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Great coin, and great story. I can't help but wonder if the "details non gradable" grade could have been avoided if you had gone through a high volume submitter, rather than individually submitting?
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