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Morgan Silver Dollar ?

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 Posted 04/18/2012  2:58 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add litenin to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have a " Morgan silver dollar" type coin (left facing bust on front, eagle on back) not a Trade dollar or a seated liberty type. It appears to be minted 1870S, so far I have received info saying it doesn't exist, if so what other possibilities are there ?

Image forthcoming when I get batteries for my camera.

Thanks
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 Posted 04/18/2012  3:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

are you sure the date is not 1878, perhaps with a damaged 8? The date of 1870 is impossible for it to be a design from George T. Morgan, the designer of the Morgan silver dollar, since he did not emigrate to the US from Britain until 1876.
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 Posted 04/19/2012  08:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
what biokemist said.

not possible, could be another Chinese fantasy coin?
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 Posted 04/19/2012  11:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add litenin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Will post my best pic when I get to a computer; also perhaps I need a better magnifying glass
Thanks for the replys
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 Posted 04/23/2012  6:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add litenin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is my best pic, still wonderin ?



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 Posted 04/23/2012  10:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fake. Not a chance. The date is clearly 1870, 6 years before its' designer even came to America.

There are no other possibilities.
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 Posted 04/23/2012  10:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add COMET to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Counterfeit. Besides the fact there is no 1870 Morgan the font of the date is wrong. The spacing of the stars looks off particularly the three on the bottom left. I'm interested in seeing the reverse too.
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 Posted 04/24/2012  03:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter4805 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Clearly a fake.
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 Posted 04/24/2012  09:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is indeed a counterfeit, and by the looks of it a well-circulated one (or at least one made to look well circulated). Hehe love to have one like that in my collection. :-)
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 Posted 04/25/2012  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add litenin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wonder how much it is worth to a collector of such things ?
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 Posted 04/25/2012  4:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add litenin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What I mean do some people collect such coins ?
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Aye counterfeit collectors exist. :-)

Most of us are into contemporary counterfeits where there are some who are in to modern counterfeits (I'm into both).

Contemporary counterfeits can be worth a few dollars (common cast counterfeits in brass or copper) up to hundreds if they are a famous variety. Such famous varieties include Contemporary Capped Bust Counterfeits, Contemporary Seated dime Counterfeits, Henning Nickels, and "Micro O" 1896, 1900, and 1902 Morgan dollars (which even have their own VAM, they fooled enough people).

Moderns generally go and trade for "face value" (modern mass-produced Chinese counterfeits) to under $25 (but the upper end of that is only found for very convincing examples of key dates or rare varieties with high novelty interest). They also trade at melt if they are made of precious metal.

I'd need a closer look to tell you what it'd be worth; however, from what I can see I'd guess you're only looking at a few dollars at best.
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 Posted 04/27/2012  03:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Did you get it from statmatics, or did he get it from you?
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RE: biggfred my coin ?
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 Posted 04/28/2012  08:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are two threads, one with you, and one with statmatics posting the coin. Three possibilities:
  • You're posting under two names
  • They're aging coins to make them identical
  • One of you got the coin from the other.

Here are the two coins, side by side:
Morgan-Silver-Dollar-? Morgan-Silver-Dollar-?
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 Posted 04/28/2012  08:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Any fotoshop whizzes out there who can adjust the pix on the right to look brighter, etc, like the left?
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