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1984 Canadian "Brass" Cent

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Hello out there! I'm new to this site and am hoping to find a collector who can explain my unusual 1984 uncirculated penny. The coin is identical in every respect to a regular 1984 cent except that it is made of an alloy which is similar in colour to the brass in a loonie or a toonie. The coin has not been dipped or plated and is apparently solid material throughout according to a metals expert who examined the coin. Has anyone any information or explanation on this coin? Could it be a trial piece or a mint error? I don't believe it's a hoax.

Many thanks for your interest.
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 Posted 07/14/2012  6:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chwkboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do you have a photo?
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to CCF. We need a photo and a weight and how many MM wide it is.
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 Posted 07/15/2012  8:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crown to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm working on getting photos of this coin but meanwhile the weight is 2.5 grams and 19mm diameter.
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Those numbers are right for a normal 1984. Will be waiting on pics.
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Lol at windchild.
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Here's the pics including one showing color comparison to a normal penny.

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This coin reminds me of a 1996 cent I posted on CCRS a couple of years back. Mine is also very brassy but has a touch of iridescence. The edges of the coin cannot be scratched with steel. The CCRS consensus was that the coin or its surface was likely altered to brass through heat treatment. It is still on my list to, hopefully, ask SPP to do XRF on at some point....

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I wonder what happen to them... Interesting...

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The CCRS consensus was that the coin or its surface was likely altered to brass through heat treatment


if it was a plated planchet then it would be easy. you can cook it up in a frying pan and get the copper plating to absorb the zinc literally turning the plating to brass.

but with 1996 (or OPs 1984) you just dont have enough zinc content to get a substantial color change like that.

odds are it's enviromental/chemical/home plated, or (less likely) a foreign planchet?

then again looking at the details on the OPs coin, it looks almost prooflike. do proofs use a different alloy?
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Time for science to step up and answer this riddle. You know how to contact me, I will happily do an XRF analysis of the coin and even a comparative SEM analysis of the surface.
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Its in the bundle with a the other stuff...!
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What do SPP, XRF and SEM mean?
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SPP is short for "Sherwood Park Pennies" (my ebay name). As for the other acronyms, if you are here on an online forum, then you already have Google at your fingertips to find the answers yourself.
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Sure, I would be happy to send you the coin for XRF and SEM analysis. Please send details. Many thanks.
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