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Dow And Pm's On The Slide.......gravity Taking Effect?

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 Posted 10/23/2012  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add acloco to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another dip early. Silver was at 31.80, but still under 32. Gold at 1716.
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 Posted 10/23/2012  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hockingzig to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With everything going negative,is this the beginning of the great deflationary spiral that Bernanke fears so much? He still thinks giving money to banks is the answer but we need to have it in the hands of those that will spend it. It may be too late as it appears most are hoarding money not sure what is going to happen. Stimulus money should have gone back into peoples hands. This will be the real test for PM owners,can you hold on as prices plummet? or will you panic sell your stack? Interesting times ahead very soon methinks!
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 Posted 10/23/2012  11:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would rather little Joe Smo (me) of the world take that money/credit and put it in store stock, bullion and coins eh, verses the banks....
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 Posted 10/23/2012  11:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is an interesting COPY an PASTE from a business trying to move bullion....

"Price Correction = Good Opportunity for
Investors Ready to Buy
Metals investors looking for a good entry point are getting that opportunity now. We got a healthy pullback, and historically, the two strongest months in the precious metals lie just ahead.
Silver prices now trade about 8% below the highs put in on October 4th, and since then gold prices are down almost 4%. While it's too early to call the pullback over, the case for jumping in here is strong.
As mentioned, we look for a pick up in physical demand in November and December, which are historically strong months for metals. The lunar New Year in Asia, the wedding season in India, and the Christmas holiday season typically generate big demand for jewelry and gifts worldwide."

I buy SOME of that and it changes my winter view a WEE bit. But I still feel in my gut that holiday gift costs, vacation and food cost take away from PM sells during the holiday and most importantly the email sender has an AGENDA....

I gotta believe however, many online buys in the coin an pm world one month before December 25th are indeed gift purchases....

The lunar New year in Asia and wedding season in India make much sense, as obviously India is right up their with China in overall yearly gold consumption....

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10/23/2012 11:51 pm
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 Posted 10/24/2012  07:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silvercoinrn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
While the short term is good to watch the long term is most important. There is not enough gold or silver for everyone, especially with china hoarding it and telling their citizens to start investing in it. They know its a good buy for the future
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[W]e look for a pick up in physical demand in November and December, which are historically strong months for metals.


Strange, I seem to remember prices dropping sharply at the end of last year. In fact, I made some pretty decent purchases last December and was hoping to repeat that this year...
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 Posted 10/24/2012  11:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinwatch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I very much hope you're right, barryg. At this rate, December's going to have some crazy PM bargains.
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 Posted 10/24/2012  6:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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There is not enough gold or silver for everyone,


Everyone doesn't want it though or cant afford it in the case of gold. Supply isn't an issue right now and likely wont be without a substantial increase in interest.
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Silver just under $32. Gold at 1706.
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 Posted 10/25/2012  1:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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With everything going negative,is this the beginning of the great deflationary spiral that Bernanke fears so much?

Could be, Hock, but I sometimes wonder if Bernanke is up to this job. He does not seem to be able to differentiate growth from inflation or the air coming out of a bubble from deflation.

I'm thinking that bubbles are primarily created via political policies that distort the market and that letting the air out of them, gradually if possible, is much better for the market in the long run than either trying to re-inflate them or letting them go BANG!

It is unfortunate that the political class truly believes that they understand economics and the markets when the evidence before us indicates that they do not. It is, in fact, political meddling beyond establishing basic economic and financial systems that leads to these distortions, bubbles, and subsequent collapses. This seems a classic case of "if some is good, more is better, and LOTS is the best", insofar as laws and regulations are concerned. In fact, laws and regulations are a lot like seasoning in food, where a little works much better than none or a lot.
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It is unfortunate that the political class truly believes that they understand economics and the markets when the evidence before us indicates that they do not.


They understand more than they let on. Part of it is perception. If they came out and said were screwed for a while it would make things much worse. Bernake may not be the best guy for the guy but he knows more than he lets on
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They understand more than they let on.

They very well may but this does not explain why they keep doing the same things and expecting a different result, such as with the QEs.


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If they came out and said were screwed for a while it would make things much worse.

Perhaps. On the other hand, that kind of honesty might be so refreshing that it would pull this country back together, united in purpose so we could get on with the work needed to solve our problems. The first order of business should be to end the idea that we can solve our problems in some painless fashion. We can't. There WILL be pain and lots of it. All we can do at this point is recognize that and then do our very best to ensure that it is shared as equally as possible.
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What we need is John Wayne for President! Quick, someone get a time machine!
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They very well may but this does not explain why they keep doing the same things and expecting a different result, such as with the QEs.


They dont really expect a different result, but they do expect to get reelected with the new handouts


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On the other hand, that kind of honesty might be so refreshing that it would pull this country back together, united in purpose so we could get on with the work needed to solve our problems. The first order of business should be to end the idea that we can solve our problems in some painless fashion. We can't. There WILL be pain and lots of it. All we can do at this point is recognize that and then do our very best to ensure that it is shared as equally as possible.


You have more faith in the general public than I do. A large amount of people already realize it wont be a painless fix but to many people are to clueless or just flat out dont care as long as they get theirs. Entitlement is rampant in todays society and thats all that matters to to many people. Just look at the political ads, expecting people to pay for their own birth control is an issue now. Everyone thinks they are entitled to things for free which really is the root of the whole problem.
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 Posted 11/05/2012  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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They dont really expect a different result, but they do expect to get reelected with the new handouts

What is the benefit of being elected the Chief Kahuna in Zimbabwe? Not much. It's a bit like owning the best house in a burned out and abandoned neighborhood.


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You have more faith in the general public than I do.

Perhaps I just have more faith than you, period? We're in DEEP DOO. We can either initiate a process that will eventually solve our problems or we can just continue on the current path until our current system implodes and dies. I don't see another alternative out there. If anyone else does, please share!


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Everyone thinks they are entitled to things for free which really is the root of the whole problem.

A lot of them certainly do but it is far from "everyone". I fully understand that it is difficult to pull a hog's head out of the trough. But it truly needs to be done IF we wish to remain a viable country. If we do not, then the gloves will come off, the system will collapse, and a dictatorship will likely follow. Not a happy ending to what was one 'the greatest country on Earth'. I fervently hope that it does not come to this, although it may. All I can say about that eventuality is that IF it happens, it will be because we deserve it.

What would make this possible would be REAL leaders who would rather save the country from collapse than get re-elected. Are there any such people around today? I don't know. Ron Paul and Gary Johnson seem to be of this type but they do not have the numbers they need to pull it off.
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