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Peace Dollars Versus Morgans

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 Posted 11/05/2012  10:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Windycity to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I love both... though like more partial to Morgans due the the varieties that can be found. Far more VAM specialist with Morgans. But the Peace die cracks are wonderful. I guess I just like coins!
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 Posted 11/05/2012  10:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cjtm92 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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smokerider, consider finding another perjorative in the future

I definitely agree. I used to volunteer at a kid's camp for the mentally handicap and they were some of the coolest human beings I've ever met.

As far as the 1964, they never actually were issued by the Mint. Congress was against the production of the 1964 Peace dollar from the get-go. The Mint had already struck a little over 300,000 specimens and as soon as Congress found out about the silver dollars, they were immediately melted down. I'm sure there is truth to a few '64 Dollars running around out there, but I can't imagine any more than 5-10.

And the only reason I guess that many is because look at those people that had 10 1933 St. Gauden's.
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I am not talking about any person. It is being used as a descriptive term of an entity. It is not a vulgar term, nor is it offensive unless one is overly sensitive. Not quite sure how you all get the idea that calling the government retarded reflects a negative outlook on my part towards mentally retarded people. Especially considering I have worked with them as well.

cjtm the thing is mint employees had access to them and as I said, they weren't exactly tracked very well. I don't think there are hundreds of them out there, but 20 or 30, yeah, that's likely.
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With all due respect, it's not your judgement to determine whether or not something is offensive. I cannot express how many parents I've met from volunteering that have told me the struggles of kids, even adults, readily to make fun of their children because they were different. Imagine being that parent, or the nephew, that grew up with a mentally handicap person. It's very taxing and a constant emotional battle. It's not difficult to show common courtesy, especially around people who you don't know whether or not have had to fight that battle. The government is consisted of people, so calling the gov't retarded in essence is calling the people in the gov't retarded.

I didn't know that the mint employees had access to the coins. I read about this a while ago and thought it was a program that was kept secret from the public and many of the employees. But if employees did have access, I can see more coins available out there. Although, didn't they weight the melt to compare to the amount they had minted?
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OK, so how does anyone saying something is retarded even remotely become making fun of some kid? It does so ONLY when people become overly sensitive and take everything as a personal attack. No different than a gay person taking offense to me saying something looks queer. Read the word in the context it is used, not in the context of being offended every time it is used. And having fought that battle, I would think it would be an easy distinction between some idiot calling a person a retard in a derogatory manner and someone using it as non personal adjective. But, as this IS a coin forum, I am not going to comment further on the matter.

I could be wrong on the employee thing, but that was what I understood. And I do know the controls were not nearly as tight as they are now. Regardless, however many are out there, we will likely never see them surface. And that really is a shame.
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 Posted 11/05/2012  1:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cjtm92 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You're right. This is a coin forum, where people have feelings about certain words that could be construed as offensive in which can be easily avoided. It's not hard choosing another word like you did in your last comment ("idiot"). It's interesting how it wasn't just a coin forum when you were spell-checking other's comments. I'm not here to get upset over someone's lack of decency, I'm here to engage with other coin collectors and learn/share knowledge. Anyway...

It is a shame, especially those that do have '64 Peace dollars in their collections are even more skeptical after the confiscation of those St. Gauden's.
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I thought term "retarded" was no longer acceptable for use when describing a handicapped individual. Aren't we now using the terms " learning disability", "mentally handicapped" and "mentally challenged" to name a few?
Using the term "idiot" to describe the government could be offensive to other non-government idiots.

And back to topic, I think some 1964 Peace dollars escaped the mint and will surface only if and when they become legal to own.
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Smokerider, call something retarded in front of my uncle and ask him if he's offended. He'll probably just burst into tears.

It. Is. Offensive. Whether you like it or not. As for being oversensitive--erm, your example doesn't hold up and actually seems a bit constructed. I don't object to "well, that's queer, isn't it?" and neither do any of the gay people I know. We are not stupid enough to not know that the meaning "strange" or "odd" came first. What we object to is "that's so gay," where the word "gay" takes the place of "stupid." That's the same thing I'm objecting to with you using retarded. It's not okay, and there's a reason polite people don't use it anymore.


Dave: yes, and no. "Retarded" is still a medical diagnosis; you don't say someone is "clinically challenged." Below a certain point, the IQ is considered to be "retarded"--which, like flame-retardant jammies, means they can't do things as quickly. However, as a rule the phrases "learning disability" and "mentally differenced" are used in conversation.
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First, someone offer me a truer adjective applicable to "arguing on the Internet" than the word in question here, or something similar.

But do it via email, because if it doesn't stop right here, this thread will go away.
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This has gone way off topic. I'm glad someone is putting a stop to it.
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 Posted 11/08/2012  10:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add robfromshasta to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am glad too, Chris. The information about the Peace dollars and Morgan dollars is valuable to me, and the input about the pros and cons of each will help guide me through my coin purchases.

I have my little cheat sheet of the Morgans and Peace dollars that are worth more than silver spot, that will help me browse through my dealers "junk silver" trays (Gosh I hate the term "junk silver") for the hidden gems that will have that numiastic base value that secures their value better than the bullion Silver Eagles (which themselves are beautiful coins too)
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 Posted 11/09/2012  01:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Anjohl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmm, I like both equally, but unless I was making mid 6 figures, I would not try to put together a Morgan run. Locally, the Morgans sell for at LEAST 1.5 times the cost of Peace dollars, even at junk grade.
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I'm 50-50 on this issue Morgan versus Peace dollars? I like the obverse of the Peace dollar and the reverse of the Morgan dollar. Maybe I will shave off the obverses of my Morgans and glue them to the Peace dollars I shaved the reverses off of. That would make for an interesting collection.

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 Posted 11/14/2012  2:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add robfromshasta to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That would be a Peaceful Morgan...
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I collect Morgans, but, still, the Peace dollar draws me. Liberty is a gorgeou gal. The standing eagle on the reverse is magnificent. And, yet, the coin lacks the ornateness, the attention to detail that the Morgan has. And the silver doesn't seem to show off the coins assets.
It's like comparing Rogers and Hammerstein to Hayden. (A mixed metaphor?)
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