Modern Proof Maria Theresa Thaler?

IMHO, the first two are the same, they are probably H61a, minted at Vienna during 1960-86.

I have this modern Thaler. I don't know much about them. Thought someone here might be able to identify the period and country of origin for this one. Perhaps the holder will help:

Arkie, I still can't find a specimen type fit your third coin in Hafner's lexicon. I have nearly 20 MTT restrikes but no one has a claw so curved like your third coin. Can you make sure this curved claw is not an artefact by itself or by photography? Also, can you provide a full set of edge pictures for the identification? Henry

Does it help to point out that the crossbars on the T, Es, and S of Theresia are thin or missing?




Oh well, photographs of the edge didn't work. I'll have to try again.

MY initial reaction on seeing the edge was that the coin was post 1960.....However looking more closely I can see the edge is just worn and more than likely the coin is pre 1930s. Could you please measure the length of the word JUSTITIA in mms please. I ask as the "thinness of the lettering( as Arkie points out) May be indicative of an interesting strike.

ON the other coins: the one in the case most likely dates to the 1980s.

The coins with the large Talon Has me stumped....I think it is one of the varieties lumped under H49

Thanks then its most likely a 1853-1900 strike and is cataloged as Hafner 49

That's a big ask . I say that as there are many features and combinations of features to look for. For those of us who collect MTTs seriously (we are the equivalent of Morgan VAM collectors) there are a number of uninteresting time periods( excluding errors) those being 1853-Circa 1900/1932 and 1960-current time.

To understand why these periods are uninteresting it helps to understand he development of minting technology. Back in the 18th century dies were hand engraved and had a very short useable life, as a result the coins have a unique style and there are a great many variations. by 1853 modern production techniques had started to be used....so there is very little variation in the coins....and though they are more modern they lack character. In the 20th century the series becomes interesting again as non Austrian mints start producing the coin..hence the variations help identify mint and time of striking and more importantly each coin is part of a story. IMHO it is less important to identify the variants making up Hafner 61 and Hafner 49. They will most likely only ever be worth Bullion value. The real focus should be on the other variants.

The best simple answer I can give you is look at the edge of the coin. if the edge lettering and decoration is heavy blurred and clumsy the coin is likely to be modern. If the lettering is fine, well executed and balanced then it is likely to be an earlier perhaps more interesting( and perhaps valuable) variety

Cool thread!

Here is my MTT that I just purchased for $16.50. There were actually 2 MTT's to choose from. The other one was an MS coin with light hairlines on the obverse for $17.50. The MS coin was nice but, the plethora die cracks along with and honest wear and toning convinced me this one was the one for me! BTW everything I know about MTT's I learned hear in this thread and this web-site: http://www.theresia.name/cgi-bin/To...cgi?Item=H62 . Do MTT collectors put a premium on coins with die cracks?

I "think" my coin is a H62. Any help with attribution and other opinion would be greatly appreciated. This was a fun coin to photograph.