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Modern Proof Maria Theresa Thaler?

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 Posted 01/15/2014  05:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wonghinghi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Both of them are genuine modern restrike from Vienna.
I would say both are the same H61a examples.
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 Posted 01/15/2014  07:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add serial to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
can one be a proof and the other a normal? because I sware one is proof like
and what year would that make them?
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Of course, I know the first one is a proof. According to Hafner's lexicon, the minting period of H61a was 1960-1986?. I just believe both coins are the H61a specimens by the appearance but I don't think they were minted in the same year.
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cool thanks a heap for that! now I have to find a different one. I thought I had started my collection of with 2 different kinds lol how wrong was I!
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serial- yep, both are real and modern. One place to also look on Vienna restrikes is the band of the inner shield of the reverse. with the exception of 1960-85 there should be two small dots set diagonally from each other on the right side of this band. This was kind of a hidden mint mark.
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 Posted 01/25/2014  8:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Archraz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And just for fun: how many MTTs do you guys own total? I have 16, with six being different varieties.
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Modern MTT restrikes 50 total, about 10 Hafner numbers.
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wonghinghi- Nice! I actually may have about five Hafner numbers. But I do have a couple of very modern coins, which I think would be candidates for their own numbers. I bought a couple right out of a BU roll, which the dealer said came straight from the Austrian Mint. And the edge detail seems much smaller in font size.
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Archaz, I really want to see what you say those "very modern coins". Do you know the year minted and can you show one here? Thanks, Herny
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Sure, here are some pics that I took back in July, when I acquired the fist of the two. So this was back in July of 2012. The dealer, who is very reputable, said that he just got them, and that they were in a sealed tube, which he thought was straight from the Austrian Mint.



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This is a recent pickup from my local shop's bid board and it is my first MTT, any help with the variety would be appreciated.

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And just for fun: how many MTTs do you guys own total? I have 16, with six being different varieties.



Bullion MTT (mixture of h49 & 60)= 72

Collectible MTT 150 made up of 60 varieties

Biokemist6: the edge is typical of a 20th century striking (Heavy edge lettering slightly blurred But not as bad as more recent strikes). I would put it as being struck between 1945 and 1960) that said I don't focus much on Vienna mint coins from the 20th century.. my interest really focuses on the early re-strikes (1781-1853) and original strikes 1741-1780(inclusive)
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Archraz, your coin is a proof, the edge letters are much improved so it is definitely a very modern strike. I don't think Hafner's lexicon can find a number for this specimen. I suspect this coin is out of the scope of Hafner's classification as I believe this coin was struck after 1980s or even 1990s or in 21 Century.

Biokemis's specimen is older, probably a H60 or H61a in accordance to Hafner's lexicon.

Austrokiwi, the total varieties owned by you is more or less than Hafner's varieties? Do you think you are capable to produce your classification in the future?
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Wonghingi: I do wish to produce a book on the MTT aside from motivation its the unanswered questions that hold me back a little. As for a new classification yew I do want to do that. For example H35 Hafner identifies 2 varities. In examining 15 examples( I have 7) I have identified 5 varieties made from at least of three die sets. I expect there are more varieties of that rare and mostly expensive type.
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austrokiwi- Actually, my coin is not a proof; rather, it just looks a bit like one due to the lighting. It truly was in a tube of identical coins. So I wonder if it was in fact struck within the past few years.
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