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 Posted 01/02/2014  1:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add austrokiwi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That coin looks like my 50a. Frustrating thing is not knowing for sure where it was struck. Some people actually suggest it was struck in Prague
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 Posted 01/11/2014  05:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spott to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi. I have a MTT restrike too. Can you tell me anything about where/when it may have been made? I took a bunch of photos and played with the lighting so hopefully you can see the relevant areas.

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 Posted 01/11/2014  05:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spott to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
and it weighs 28.06 grams (on an uncalibrated scale)

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 Posted 01/11/2014  08:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wonghinghi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Spott, the coin you post is somewhat like the one I posted on 1/1/14. It may be a H60 specimen, which is a Vienna type and minted between 1960-1980s.
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 Posted 01/11/2014  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spott to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks wonghinghi!
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 Posted 01/11/2014  2:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Archraz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
wonghinghi & Spott- But it seems to have the two dots in the central band of the central shield on the reverse. These dots were absent from H60 (1960-1985). Thus, I wonder if this coin could be from Vienna ca. 1945-60.
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 Posted 01/11/2014  3:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add austrokiwi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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But it seems to have the two dots in the central band of the central shield on the reverse. These dots were absent from H60 (1960-1985). Thus, I wonder if this coin could be from Vienna ca. 1945-60.


I think that is a very good call. I just went and looked at my example of the 1963 Missouri numismatic society counter-stamped MTT. Its a great marker coin as the Society purchased the coins direct from the Vienna mint. First off the Missouri counter-stamped MTT is missing the two dots in line with what Archraz has already pointed out. 2nd point the edge on the Missouri coin is not as clean as the edge on the pictured coin. I would also go for pre 1960!
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 Posted 01/11/2014  8:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wonghinghi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
According to Hafner's lexicon:
H60 1945/50 - 60
H60 1960 - 86?
I am sorry that I interpret it wrong H60 as 1960-1980s. It is still a H60 in my idea but the minting period should be around 1945-1960s. This era still not violate Ian's expectation!

There are two MTTs shown in the lexicon in respond to H60 catagory. If you look closely to the pictures, you can recognize the left one has one dot on the central Austrian sheild while the right one has two corresponding dots here. I would expect there are really many varieties for H60.

Archraz, I don't think the two dots never happened in H60, but I would say they are not be found in my H61a examples.
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 Posted 01/11/2014  10:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spott to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Neat! 1945-1960 is even better than 1960-1980. I saw those spots in the middle of the shield, but I didn't know those were the dots that you were looking for.
I bet my coworker will ask me to post his MTT here once I tell him that you guys identified mine.
Thanks!
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 Posted 01/12/2014  01:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wonghinghi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There was a typo in my last reply, I correct it as follows:

According to Hafner's lexicon:
H60 1945/50 - 60
H61a 1960 - 86?

Now I would like to show another variety of H60. Two characteristics that I think it is a H60 specimen.
i) only one dot on the central Austrian sheild
ii) two tiny tail feathers at the terminal region of the eagle (circled in the following picture)

Other features that I think it is a variety such as relatively small size (39.8-40.5 mm) and the scripts of the saltire looks not as smooth as other H60 specimens also counted.

This coin is 28.03 grams, 39.8-40.5 mm, a proof, bought from US.
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Only one dot seen on the Austrian sheild.
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I supposed these two tiny feathers are only seen in older (post WWII)MTT restrikes but now I have to amend this assertion for this H60 variety.
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Relatively rough edge letters.
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 Posted 01/14/2014  02:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spott to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is my Coworker's MTT restrike. I told him you folks identified mine and now he is curious about his. Thanks!



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 Posted 01/14/2014  02:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spott to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


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It weighs 28.01 (on a scale that isn't regularly calibrated)
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 Posted 01/14/2014  09:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wonghinghi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To my opinion, this coin shows no great difference to the first coin posted by you, Spott, except cruder edge letters for this one. It is still an example of H60, Vienna minted, 1945/50 - 60 according Hafner's lexicon.
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 Posted 01/14/2014  11:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spott to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
He said thank you! We thought they were very similar, but didn't want to miss anything because we don't know enough about them.
Thanks again
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 Posted 01/14/2014  9:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add serial to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
could I please have help with my 1st 2 thalers I have bought. I have wanted some for a while now but have been scared at the thought of buying a fake one. I got these from a good source so I hope I did well.


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the 1st proof like one weighs in at 28.11g and the 2nd toned one is 28.05g
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