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Biokemist's specimen is older, probably a H60 or H61a in accordance to Hafner's lexicon.
Thank you, what would be the primary difference(s) between 60 and 61? I see on the Theresia site that H60 lists the diameter as above 40mm, would that mean that H61 would have a diameter closer to 39mm? |
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Also, I just spied this example on ebay. Although this looks like a late-19th century piece, I'm a bit surprised that it does not contain the two dots in the horizontal band of the innermost shield on the reverse. Any thoughts? http://www.ebay.com/itm/1780-AUSTRI...em58aaca628f |
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Looking at the variant descriptions, this looks like the 1-2-1 feathers type (the British one). If so, it's neither from Vienna nor "late 19th century".
Don't know enough to comment further.
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That ebay sale is indeed a London coin...but what catches my eye is the shape of the saltire( X after the date). Several years ago I examined the coin(vienna Mint) the london mint used to develop the dies annoyingly I don't have a photo and I can't recall the saltire. I suspect the coin for sale is an early London mint strike dating to the period just before the second world war. On H60 and 61 I think the main difference is the two dots in the heart shield on the reverse. On my one confirmed 196Os made coin( Missouri Numismatic society counterstamp) the two dots are missing. On the diameter. I think H60 has a diameter close to 40mm ( more than 39.5mm) Edited by austrokiwi
01/27/2014 06:06 am
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I see on the Theresia site that H60 lists the diameter as above 40mm, would that mean that H61 would have a diameter closer to 39mm? Biokemis6, the diametre of a modern MTT is always greater than 40 mm in diameter so the size that quoted in Hafner's lexicon is not a foolproof evidence to make out the difference between H60 and H61a. In fact, I think H61a is a bit larger than H60. Austrokiwi actually answered your coin is a H60, that is, Vienna mint in 1945/50-60. To me, I would say there is no two dots on the central Austrian sheild and the eagle's left claw pointing to the "X" of DUX is curved, then it is H61a. |
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I suspect the coin for sale is an early London mint strike dating to the period just before the second world war. Austrokiwi, can it be an Indian type? That means it might be a Bombay example. |
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can it be an Indian type? That means it might be a Bombay example. that question was in my mind but there just isn't enough info in that listing. the info that would help make a determination would be the coins diametre. If over 40mm and heading to 41mm then its more likely to be from one of the Indian mints. I didn't raise it as a possibility as the usual fish tailing that may be a definitive marker for India isn't strongly present. Using ebay photos my technique is to look at the numeral one in the date. If the base of that number is clearly struck then its more likely to be London, If its fishtailed( fading into the field) then its more likely to be from India |
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january1may- ah, yeah, you're right. That makes sense now.I think that I misstook the dent across the feathers as being the separation of two feathers.
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Paris mint MTT on ebay France I just had a quick look and saw this listing: Its is a little expensive( about right for retail and cheap compared to an attributed example) It is a nice example and most likely a first type( 1937 -1941). If you are looking for a Paris mint variety ebay France is the best place to look. Often you can find extremely high grade examples of Paris mint MTT for melt value . The Paris mint was selling its MTT in its shop up until the mid 1960s so they are relatively easy to find on ebay France http://www.ebay.fr/itm/THALER-ARGEN...em338a14f055Edited by austrokiwi
01/28/2014 02:32 am
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austrokiwi- wow, does that Paris variety have a beaded border?
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does that Paris variety have a beaded border? Is that an exclamation or a real question? (online communications can confuse) yes it has the beaded border |
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Looks to me like H60. But with out seeing the edge we can't be sure. You ( coin collectors in general) should be very suspicious of that counter-mark on MTT. Some, my self included, believe that all examples,on MTT, are fake.
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