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I guess both sides of the coin helps, eh  |
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The edge you posted seems to belong to a Spanish colonial dollar. It looks nothing like a MTT edge, and I highly doubt any real MTT ever had such an edge.
Ignoring the edge... well, it's pretty obviously one of these British issues (1-2-1 tail feathers). Don't know enough to pick out which one specifically.
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Yep definitely London. Look at the Arabesques Device looks somewhat like a fern leaf with a circle at one end. I always orient the edge so the "fern leaves" point up and then I look at the line that cuts across the circle. With London coins that line starts at 9 O'clock and curves down to 4 O'clock
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So I just picked this one up today. It almost looks like a proof from Vienna. So am I right in assuming that is an H62? Thanks!   |
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Hafner's lexicon has no H62 type so H62 is not a category for Hafner's classification.
Is a proof modern MTT means it is "H62"?
Archraz, can you tell more about H62 or can you tell the difference between H60 or H61a? Why not, your coin is not H60 or H61a?
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Archrz I have been waiting for this response of yours. There is no H62 in hafners catalog. Yes it is listed on the web site but I have problems relying on htat website: example 1: http://www.theresia.name/cgi-bin/To...gi?Item=H61bThe website states the blank faced MTT is from Vienna. UNfotunately too many collectors will now describe every blank faced MTT is this one.....yet I know a decent number of blank Faced MTT actually come from the Paris mint. A collector relies on the book. a numismatist sees the book as a guide only. |
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I acquire another MTT restrike from a member here, it is likely a H19 specimen. I compared this H19 with my own H19 and investigated they are varieties or not. Is there a possibility of one of them a H19a and the other H19b?. I need your expertise to figure out the difference. My newly acquired MTT (postulated H19a): 28.02 gr., 39.3-40.9 mm (quite elliptical shape), the shiny one in the pictures below. My own MTT (postulated H19b): 27.94 gr., 39.6-40.5 mm, the one which is nicely toned.   Hafner's lexicon tells there are 8-9 pearls in the diadem of H19a. Do you think there are 9 pearls here?  Clearly 8 pearls here so I suppose this is a H19b type.  The number of dots in the eagle's bark seems different, 7 dots for the first coin, 9 dots for the second coin, do you think they are from different dies?   Finally, do coins from different dies means they are varieties? |
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19a and 19b seem to be accurate assessments. the fist head shot you show looks like 19b to me(oval pearls in the diadem) When the vienna mint was producing this type die life was short aproximately 50,000 coins per die. There was still alot of hand production so variation between dies was very common. the average annual mintage for MTT over the last 234 years is circa 300,000 a year. So early on one might expect up to 12 varieties per year
As for does every different die = a new variation I think a VAMer would say yes. However with the MTT it s question I am thinking hard about. there isn't the market in MTTs that there is for morgans. As a result, with the MTT, for a variety to be collectible there must be significant rarity or a unique story behind it.... thats at least my current thinking
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Austokiwi, thank you for sharing your experience. Would you bother to clarify the meaning of this word " VAMer "?
Secondly, would you tell again your opinion, according to the first twin picture, is the left one is H19a or any other? Are they different varieties?
Thanks a lot,
Henry
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austrokiwi- hmm, interesting. What do you think would be the proper number designation for my coin?
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