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Perhaps buyer remorse or looking for some money back...  |
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I'm going to reiterate:
The coin was described in excruciating detail using explicit language known to everyone with even a passing acquaintance of the type, and this rare and pricey series is pretty much wholly transacted between people who understand it. It's like having to explain what a 1909-S VDB is if you go to sell one.
I cannot find a justification for the buyer. Isn't all that arcane copy in the auction even a small hint that research might be necessary? This ain't a $50 coin.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Dave I dont disagree the buyer clearly didnt know what they were doing. My point was that if you owned a store and were selling coins and a buyer came in about that coin and said that coin only had 13 stars most sellers would show them or explain about the other two. If theyd bought it and came back the next day to return it for that reason I would assume most sellers again would take the time to explain it. I dont see selling on ebay as being any different whether you run or store or just sell on your own from time to time. Its possible that this would have ended up in the same place no matter what he said, but its possible that could have solved it as well. |
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No disagreement at all, basebal21. My only contention is that, for this rare, expensive, specialized and high-end variety, the seller cannot feel a moral obligation to explain every little nuance of the attribution in the initial auction. Answer questions honestly and completely? Of course. But his intended demographic doesn't need to ask them. The buyer should have, and is now about to pay an embarrassing price for not having done. As a result, a well-known numismatist and dealer is learning good reason to be gun-shy in the future, which is a shame.
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I have to agree with baseball on this one. Based off available information, it would seem as though the seller could have potentially avoided this issue by trying to explain where to find all the stars. I also disagree with dave. One of the first times I've ever disagreed with you. I don't thinks the buyer's error is THAT egregious. I agree that a buyer SHOULD know where to look for the stars when making a purchase of this magnitude, but I've seen plenty of buyers that didn't know exactly what they were doing when making a purchase. Maybe, he just wanted to buy a nice "bust dollar" for his type set. It's not like he said "where's the date". To find the 14th and 15th star, you do have to have more than just coin knowledge as demonstrated by the first few responses to this thread. You do need in depth knowledge of a rare classic coin series. I don't think it absurd that someone potentially looking for a coin for a type set could make this purchase and not know where to find the stars that, admittedly, are NOT super obvious to anyone other than experts. Since the coin is slabbed by an ebay approved TPG, the seller should win the case. Those who spoke of feedback being removed here are not correct. His eventual feedback will likely stick. Unless, he breaks the specific rules regarding what is allowed...like feedback extortion or using profane language etc, ebay will allow it. I have personally had a buyer lose a case against me and continue to complain in leaving neutral (lucky no negative) feedback and ebay allowed it. Remember it's a buyer's site. |
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"Seriously - he/she didn't e-mail you BEFORE the auction was over?" No, the buyer never contacted me until today(he just received the coin today). This buyer is obviously ignorant to coins. He recently purchased this coin: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1806-Draped...121041606548Apparently he had no issue with the fact that the seller LIED in the title "1806 Draped Bust Half Dollar NCG XF".....coin is not NCG XF |
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His knowledge is definitely limited but seems to have dollars to throw around.
If he is trying to work on a type set, as it seems is the case, he needs to educate himself diagnostically in each series.
The sellers description alone would have made me run.
swcoin.ecrater.com
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xshift "I am hoping that was an attempt at humor."
Yes It was an attempt at humor with a large sprinkling of no tact sarcasm. I am a Master Electrician. I know what I am doing in my field. My clients however almost never do. Which means that there is always a need for me to explain to the clients in terms they can understand, the products that they are purchasing. I believe a short explanation like the one Ddave gave here would have nullified this problem.
I appologize for my lack of tact.
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My only contention is that, for this rare, expensive, specialized and high-end variety, the seller cannot feel a moral obligation to explain every little nuance of the attribution in the initial auction. Answer questions honestly and completely? Of course. But his intended demographic doesn't need to ask them. I definitely understand that perspective. However, I wouldnt call it a moral obligation but more good business sense. Even if hes not thinking about a potential future customer, the potential to avoid the fiasco thats happening now seems like it would at least be worth a shot to try and save the time and effort dealing with it. I definitely agree that the target audience didnt need to be told, but at the same time everyone has to start somewhere. Like hes mentioned maybe its a type set, maybe hes new to coins and obviously is well off, maybe hes into other series and just happened to really like that one. Research would certainly be wise before a purchase but I dont think you need to be an expert before making the first purchase in a series. I'm sure weve all gotten coins from things that arent our main area of interest (at least I know I have) where something like that could be missed. I'm not saying the buyers right for not looking into it or not asking where the other two were, just that an email explaining where the other two stars stars are at the very least would have been worth the shot to explain it. |
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This is obviously a big-picture issue for some, so I'll address the bigger picture. Do I have to explain why I want so much for my 1877 IHC? After all, it's only a penny; how could a penny in this strange plastic container with "PCGS" and "MS64RB" be worth what I'm asking? Must I explain? Do I have to delineate what "Original, numbers-matching Hemi Cuda Convertible" means to justify my asking price? Do I *really° have to spoon-feed you? At what point is the onus on you, the buyer? Anything over $1? Really? |
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Maybe I'm missing something here. The buyer wanted a 15 star variety. After he received the coin, he mistakenly thought it was a 13 star variety. I than pointed out to him the 15 stars and their locations. So, now he should know it is a 15 star variety as he originally wanted. In other words, dispite his ignorance, he has exactly what he had wanted in the first place. So I'm not understanding his problem.
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Neither do I, and as angry as I am this will be the last I have to say on the subject tonight.
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Pillar of the Community
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Would you mind posting the buyer's user ID here?
That way we can put them on our Blocked Bidder List if we so choose.
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Pillar of the Community
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"Would you mind posting the buyer's user ID here?
That way we can put them on our Blocked Bidder List if we so choose"
I'm not sure if this board will allow that. Can a moderator let me know if this is allowed. Thanks, Mitch
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I bet listing the name on the forum would be discouraged. You could always send the name in an email to those that request it.  Edited by Fuzzy317
01/26/2013 04:54 am
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