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Pillar of the Community
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@silvertracker You would be better off by buying the biggest size gold coin you can, my preference would be 1 ounce and 1/2 ounce and then the 1/4. As an example, as prices returned to an uptrend, I bought 1 oz gold Somalian elephants over the 1/10 ounce, tho I did get one since it was the first one in the series. I did the same with the gold Pandas, tho they have the switch to the grams and not ounces, nevertheless, I bought the biggest one, the 30 gram gold coin. As another example, for The Royal Mint, I really loved the new design of the gold proof Britannia, and was excited they only offered as single coin the 1/4 ounce instead of 1/10. That is how I been collecting gold coins from various mints this year... and I will continue so long as gold remains in an up trend. Should it reverse here, I will stop completely. However, over the 1/4 and 1/10, stick to the 1/4 ounce gold coin. So, if you can, wait and save up for the 1/4 ounce. I wouldnt really be too concerned with prices getting away here and going higher any time soon, so if you can hold off, maybe a 1/2 ounce might be within reach by saving longer.
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Pillar of the Community
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Sure looks like gold is setting up for another drop, does that happen tomorrow? Have no idea, have to wait and see, but gold is back again at the lower end of its current range, probing it.
Silver back to the lower end of the range it had broken out of. Is this the weakness from gold we are seeing?
Probabilities sure are pointing to another lower range break for gold.
Key number on gold is a break of 1152.50, that area can only be probed so many times on the downside before it breaks down. Watch that number tomorrow.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Last December, spot Gold dropped 25 bucks in an instant, after rate hike announced. I expect the same, or, close to it tommorow. What happens within 72 hours AFTER is key, IMHO. The FEDS know NOT to say(state) any projections, like.."There may be 4 rate hikes in the near future"..they have learned to keep things low key, and, will most likely state "Data Dependent"...Now, I know Mr. YUP could give a Rats A.. over things like this, and, only the price, and price movement counts, very true, coupled with perhaps the end of week close being pretty darn important for short term trading. I am still convinced, by March 2017, all will be well in gold and silver again, as stocks tumble and money flows to safe havens. 2 more months of lower lows would not surprise me. That's fine..it just means the highs could be higher!
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3789 Posts |
@ilikeikes
Yes, you are very right about me, I only care about price, price action. So far, after some very nice range breaks a few months back, silver and gold are losing steam and have continued to break down, especially since October where I jumped off, closed all positions down and booked profits.
I dont know what happens tomorrow. I dont profess to know the future nor do I care to try and make predictions about the future. I just follow price, manage risk and make money so long as the trend is accommodating, up or down.
2016 has NOT been an easy year for trend following. Lots of great looking trends that started early in the year have fizzled out, albeit, they are all in up trends but have given up major gains.
I will say this tho. Assets that make yearly highs, are not a flash in the pan. They do come back to where they were at and continue higher. Sometimes, its not all that sexy how they do it, sometimes the trend is not as beautiful as the latin american women I love. I think the price action is being very clear that gold and silver, for now, will not be very beautiful, clean easy trends, for whatever reason and could revert back to where they were.
As a trader, I personally am fine with this happening. As gold and silver have petered out, they are not something I look at closely anymore. I mean why? My objective is to find the trends, whats the strongest and go there and trade it. If its starting to make yearly highs and at the beginning of the move, I guarantee you , I Am there already.
For now, I see silver and gold losing steam, still in their up trends. I will flip to downtrend when they finally give way again to their yearly lows, when, just as I said when prices turned to their uptrend, that the move to yearly highs was your complete confirmation, without a doubt of where price was heading.
Sometimes markets move in wild, crazy moves. Look at oil as an example. In February of last year, we were talking bona fide down trend. In a matter of months, it built a base, reversed, and here we are BACK at an up trend. Sometimes, these trends move FAST and whip around.
In conclusion, personally, I dont think silver and gold have given all they have to give. However, that is not to be decided by me, but for the market to decide and I always abide by what the market dictates. Should the market grind lower here on silver and gold and push that price into yearly lows, thats fine with me. However, I would not be surprised if things change after some time.
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United States
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Anything is possible in the next couple weeks, but I'm not convinced we will see a new yearly low in gold for 2016, it would need to fall a little less than $100 more from here. Certainly the pretty much expected Fed rate increase will have some effect on price, but I think that much of the expected rate increase should already be built in to the gold price currently. It could definitely fall more immediately on the news of the rate increase once it happens (if it does), but we could get a surprise and see a relief bounce up also, just have to wait and see what happens. If we don't get a new low this year, we may see it early in 2017, especially if the Fed signals more rate hikes to come.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1450 Posts |
If you buy gold at $1100 an ounce how much does it have to go up to actually make money on it? Consider unless you are a gold dealer you will be selling it to somebody who is going to resell it.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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If you bought gold at $1100... then you simply need to sell it for $1100.01 to say you have had some profit....
If you're wondering about fees and such.... well that all depends on where you buy and where you sell... for that you'll have to do your own research.
For gold you can expect $50 above spot for a premium from some sort of gold dealer on one ounce of gold. When you sell you can expect something in the market of 5% below spot to be a price from a dealer.
So for those "ranges" you're looking at buying at 1100 and selling above 1250 for it to be profitable
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I am VERY surprised by all the green on my screen today...95% of my miners are green, in advance of this rate hike. I was expecting moderate losses the last 3 days heading into this. Perhaps the sellers are reaching exhaustion. The amounts of money to be made on margin can be too lucrative for some to not play, and, they do reach a point of giving in, and, starting a cycle again. Who wins, who loses, in the next time frame, unknown right now.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3344 Posts |
I'm liking these gold prices.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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Valued Member
United States
160 Posts |
I would like to see $350/oz. again for about 6 months, followed by a steady rise to $2000 over the next 6 months, LOL.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3789 Posts |
there is the 1152 break on gold.... silver flat for now..
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3344 Posts |
The Fed interest rate hike knocked gold down by over 1% today. Their announced intentions look like a set-up to knock another 3-4% out of the price in the next year. CD's may become a decent return investment again.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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Pillar of the Community
United States
606 Posts |
I'm with you Jmgi.
If silver drops about a buck, I can start buying physical again around my average cost.
Some earlier predictions you made have been scary good so far. Thanks for posting them.
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Valued Member
United States
160 Posts |
Unfortunately for gold, its direction is linked to interest rates/yields, and we can see where they are headed. The only real demand for the yellow metal is investment and jewelry. Chinese and Indian demand has been down, not helping gold prices either. Pretty much all the gold that has ever been mined on this planet still exists in some form, its not going away, so its not really rare anymore. It is pretty to look at though. Nobody knows where gold will bottom out, all we have is "worthless predictions".
Edited by jmgi 12/15/2016 07:15 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
606 Posts |
And to think I was criticized for selling my miners back in August. Bwahahahahahahah.
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