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Look at your image again, the devices are indeed mirrored and I think Westcoins was looking at the reversed image created by Coop. I was and did not see someone else flipped the image thanks for that. Quote:
Let me be clear..I have not stated this is a mint error. Just trying to figure out how it could have been done. Above from the OP, I also agree it is not mint made but PMD - what we are trying to discern is how it was made the bubble of extra metal is kind of baffling. Can we get a photo of the reverse? I'd like to see if the coin is still flat or if it was pushed up as if a hammer on a rounded anvil was used. This is most definitely PMD once again to be sure. But still never seen anything quite like it.  I'm looking at this as a learning tool for others. Please don't jump all over coinfox1 he also thinks it's PMD - but how it's created is the question, looks a bit more than a vice squeeze job to me also. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440Edited by westcoin
08/28/2013 3:28 pm
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Here is the reverse. Thanks so much westcoins for clearing that up!  |
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They sure look like vice marks to me.
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The "Bubble" over the G is the inside of the "0" (zero) of the date on the Indian that was squeezed. The raised pare on your coin is from the incuse part of the Indian Head. Its simple really. I suggest you take copper cents and squeeze them together on a vice. You will understand after that. There are vice grip marks on the reverse photo. Hope that helps.
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Here is the reverse. Thanks so much westcoins for clearing that up! |
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Thanks. They must have just viced the top edge and bottom edge since no vice marks appear in the middle of the reverse.
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They sure look like vice marks to me. Yep I think that is clear and obvious now, I even see the dent that forced the obverse bubble as well, sometimes all we need is both sides of the coin!  "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Do you think they also heated the coin?
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Did you get it off ebay ? Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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Lol. Yeah, 15.00 bucks. I figured it was worth the gamble. Some other guy was bidding on it too.
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So do you think they heated this coin too Raymo?
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Nothing wrong with taking a gamble! I do often and more often than not, my hopes are validated. Understanding what you're looking at is key though.
A vise job is simple- as explained, it's simply the act of pressing 2 or more coins together under great pressure. This can be achieved through many different tools and machinery, the easiest is to use a stationary vice, like you see screwed into the counter of most guy's garage or tool area.
It does appear that the reverse of the 1911 cent was pressed flat against the vice. This coin could have been even more deceiving if it were sandwiched between 2 coins, one on either side.
Don't be disappointed about the $15! If you absorb the information in this thread you'll have found that your $15 purchased an excellent education on the subject and now you're armed with enough information to never worry about making a mis-step on a similar coin.
This was an enjoyable and educational thread!
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Yeah you can always return it. I don't think it was heated, just squeezed. If you could see the Indian you would see the marks of the vise on it.
Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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Thanks so much liveandie and everyone else who offered the great info! I have learned a ton even though I gambled and wasted 15.00. I do know I have a love in searching for cent errors and hope to be as good as all of you someday!
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