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Mustachioed Severina

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 Posted 09/15/2013  11:37 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Masis to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Was browsing and came across an AE of Aurelian's wife.
I know that spouses tend to have some similarities to each other, but this seems to go too far.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Roman-Bronz...em27d7d4684a

The other coins, such as the one of Probus, look suspect.
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 Posted 09/15/2013  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This coin seems very very odd to me. Out of the two bust type know for this empress it doesn't match either of them. I don't know what to make of this coin other than it looks like it has be altered from something else.
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 Posted 09/15/2013  2:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eddop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It might be the emporer, Aurelian, himself and afterwards transformed in a portrait of his wife Severina.

All her Siscia coins are very odd:
http://www.ric.mom.fr/en/search/qui...esult&hpp=50
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The other coins look a little off as well. Only 20 sales. He has a Balbinus also that is attracting some attention.
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Interesting. Pretty funny, actually. I wouldnt mind owning that.
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Ed, that though came to mind also.
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I have an AE denarius of Severina which also includes the rather fetching moosetache ! I seem to recall Edward Gibbon stating that for a brief period she may actually have ruled in her own right. I don't remember if she was also an ethnic 'Illyrian' like her husband the Emperor. If so I have perhaps a better understanding of 'where' she is coming from.
I married a very beautiful Albanian woman and came to learn some of the unusual and curious cultural customs and traditions of a people who claim to be the sole (cultural) descendants of the Illyrian tribes. Things such as the " unibrow " were until very recently considered very stylish and desirable things a woman might emphasize ! Other very odd customs that could only date from thousands of years ago include a particular class of females who are raised as boys and never marry. As adults they dressed and acted as males and were required to be 'armed' at all times ...... In the last century an old Ottoman period rifle being the preferred accoutrement . Illyrian woman can be 'formidable' and not infrequently ....... Moosetachiod !
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 Posted 09/16/2013  10:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

AE Antoninianus Ulpia Severina
Obv. SEVERINA AVG

For a period of eight months following the assassination of Aurelian no candidate stepped forward for a job no one
of 'sound mind' wanted any part of. It seems likely that the Empress Severina continued to rule in some sort of accommodation with the acquiescence of the Army until the reluctant Tacitus (aged 75) agreed to assume the burden.

Mustachioed-Severina

The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire
Chapter XII

A.D. 275. February 3.A Peaceful interregnum of eight months

"The contention that ensued is one of the best attested but most improbable events in the history of mankind. (2) The troops, as if satiated with the exercise of power, again conjured the senate to invest one of its own body with the Imperial purple. The senate still persisted in its refusal; the army in its request. The reciprocal offer was pressed and rejected at least three times, and, whilst the obstinate modesty of either party was resolved to receive a master from the hands of the other, eight months insensibly elapsed; an amazing period of tranquil anarchy, during which the Roman world remained without a sovereign, without an usurper, and without a sedition. The generals and magistrates appointed by Aurelian continued to execute their ordinary functions; and it is observed that a proconsul of Asia was the only considerable person removed from his office in the whole course of the interregnum."

A.D. 275. Sept, 25. The consul assembles the senate.

"On the twenty-fifth of September, near eight months after the murder of Aurelian, the consul convoked an assembly of the senate, and reported the doubtful and dangerous situation of the empire. He slightly insinuated that the precarious loyalty of the soldiers depended on the chance of every hour and of every accident; but he represented, with the most convincing eloquence, the various dangers that might attend any farther delay in the choice of an emperor. Intelligence, he said, was already received that the Germans had passed the Rhine and occupied some of the strongest and most opulent cities of Gaul. The ambition of the Persian king kept the East in perpetual alarms; Egypt, Africa, and Illyricum were exposed to foreign and domestic arms; and the levity of Syria would prefer even a female sceptre to the sanctity of the Roman laws. The consul then, addressing himself to Tacitus, the first of the senators, required his opinion on the important subject of a proper candidate for the vacant throne."
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A really interesting epoch of the empire.
Below is my example of Severina "Concordiae Militum" type, Siscia mint, 4.68 g, 22.4 mm.
Still no "YMCA" 'tache like in that listing.

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interesting coins...maybe time for a wax job. on the mustach...not the coin.
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 Posted 09/17/2013  01:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Notice that the legend reads SEVERINAE and not SEVERINA. As she was not a plural (Queen Victoria 'We are not amused') it can only be read in the genitive. Which as we all remember from Latin I ....... is the ending which denotes possession.

Possession of what ? AVG !

Genitive

The "possession case": The genitive word corresponds to the word that takes an apostrophe in English. If (A) is in the genitive, (A) possesses something else (B), with the emphasis falling on (B), so that (A) is somewhat like a modifier of (B): in student's book (= discipuli liber), the possession-word qualifies the meaning of the noun book"
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Very interesting, FR-- I didn't know that!
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Of course in Latin sometimes the noun can be "implied" ......
Hmmmmmm. What else could SEVERINA in theory possess ?

A Moosetache !



(possibly sideburns ?)
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