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Anyone Bidding On The Newman Collection?

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For anyone reading this who is unfamiliar with Eric P. Newman, be aware that he is (while still living) discussed in the same breath as Eliasberg; probably the only other collector whose breadth of achievement compares. He's not one of the great numismatists of our time - he's one of the greats of all time. And his numismatic resume is only one aspect of the life of service he's led.

Here's a pretty good look at the man:

http://www.coinworld.com/articles/e...-looks-ahead
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Thanks for the link. Now I just need to figure out how to bid and do payments on HA because I'm really interested in some of the mercs up for auction. I've only used HA as a reference for past sale prices.
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 Posted 11/08/2013  09:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdmern to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Awesome article Dave- Checked out some of those ones in the Heritage auction, amazing coins
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I thought about bidding on a few items then I saw the buyers premium (never done a heritage auction before) and that instantly turned me off. Thats crazy to pass a fee of to the consumer like that, its basically paying for the privilege to use their service and bid on this historical collection.
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 Posted 11/08/2013  2:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EFLargeCents to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think most buyers factor in the BP when they bid.
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I thought about bidding on a few items then I saw the buyers premium (never done a heritage auction before) and that instantly turned me off. Thats crazy to pass a fee of to the consumer like that, its basically paying for the privilege to use their service and bid on this historical collection.


Then stay away from the major auction houses, because that's the going rate.
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SsuperDdave is right of course, but judging by his tone he's probably tried to explain it too many times. Think of it this way. There is a buyer and there is a seller but there is also a middle man. Whether it's ebay or an auction house they are providing a service, a means for the buyers and sellers to get together. And they are doing so to make money. It's a difference in their business model, but in either situation the end results are pretty much the same for the buyer. As others in this thread have said buyers in auctions take the buyer's fee into account when bidding, therefore they bid less than they would in say an ebay auction because they know they'll be paying the buyer's fee. Across all buyers in an auction it's an even playing field. Here's a graphic that may explain it a little better. It uses an example of the same coin being sold both through ebay and through Heritage. In both cases the "out of pocket" price to the buyer is the same, $500

Anyone-Bidding-On-The-Newman-Collection?


Either way the buyer pays the same amount, but the auction house ends up making more than ebay. The reason is they specialize in coins and have a higher overhead so it makes sense, but the important part is that the buyer ends up paying pretty much the same in either situation. The party that loses out in the auctions is the seller, as they take home a smaller cut. What the seller gets from the auction vs. ebay is a much more focused audience. Typically a more sophisticated audience as well. An audience that is willing to pay more for nicer, higher end coins in many cases.

So it's just a different business model. Neither is really better or worse for the buyer, just different.

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I might still bid on something from the auction as I think it would be cool to have one of these coins owned by one of the greatest Numismatists to ever live in my collection. Was just a little shocked at that fee at first, I was bidding on a dollar coin but the buyer premium was $14 that was crazy. I was just looking for something I could own from this collection.
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Tbone:
when I sold through Heritage, they took a hefty 10% seller's fee. andthat was from the final prize including BP. So they take money from both ends, from the seller as well as the buyer.

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I might still bid on something from the auction as I think it would be cool to have one of these coins owned by one of the greatest Numismatists to ever live in my collection.


Agree, but even heros have feet of clay... I've been thinking of this lot: http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...&lotNo=34018 but the note on the envelope gives me pause. All I can come up with is that he bought it as a proof, tucked it away in an envelope and after 30 years of sliding around in the drawer it's now heavily toned and AU...

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Holy amazing toners!! some unbelievable coins! With hefty price tags!

I'm bidding on a couple... All Col Green labels... Not only do I want a pedigree from the Newman collection but also with Col Green...

But we'll see where the prices go.. Lol, I don't really want to post which yet as I don't want to add bids, lol... But a couple Morgan's and one other thing...
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when I sold through Heritage, they took a hefty 10% seller's fee. andthat was from the final prize including BP. So they take money from both ends, from the seller as well as the buyer.

epikur


That's right. I'm pretty sure they don't charge a seller fee if the coin sells for over $1000 and you bought it from one of their past auctions. I've received a coupon from them in those cases.
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I took a look at some of the items and it is way beyond my resources to bid on those....there were a few coins I liked that were in the $400-500 range to start, but even those leave me out. As a matter of fact I am thinking of selling off all my coins and getting out of the hobby.
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TBone...great graphic above...it shows I am better off selling on ebay than heritage! Actually the best for the seller is the free coin community "pocket it" or auction, but the exposure is much less.
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Bidding live begins today. I am going to try and watch some of it. Anyone else?
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