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 Posted 11/13/2013  10:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add solotime to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Cc, you can't hi-jack the thread while my ikes aren't posted. This post was to tell about my ikes then later show them but were not at that point yet. It's not done yet so going off topic isn't bad.


From what your saying is, do you mean just buy the coin you know you're getting?
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I been thinking like that. I am one of those people who break mint sets up or rip the coins out of mint cello. You got to remember, some people put them away and save them.


Yes. I've been doing this as well for many years. I have a couple hundred very choice Ikes as well as another couple hundred really choice mint sets with Ikes. Of course there are others as well but I seriously doubt there are any massive hoards because of the scarcity of the coins. It used to be easy to get lots of fresh mint sets but they're still out there going begging even today. Some collectors mistakingly believe the sets are all picked over but most just don't care about any moderns.

The sets aren't greatly picked over because there is a steady flow onto the market from estates and these get taken off the market by the big wholesalers who chop them up to make sets of cents of Ikes or whatever. Until relatively recent times (mid-90's) the wholesalers didn't even bother to check for varieties much less Gems.

These coins really have just been dispersed far and wide and large percentages have ended up in circulation or are otherwise degraded or lost.

Gems vary in sets from as tough as about .25% to as common as 8%, most are in the vicinity of 2% (dependent on denomination). I think collectors are going to be surpriused when it becomes apparent how many of these sets have been destroyed. They've had no value so they get spent or cut up for specific coins. They get used up putting together sets for Shop At Home viewers.

There are a lot of people now assembling sets and who still need a lot of coins. Eventually the demand is just going to catch up with the ever dwindling supply. No one can control these markets because no one could get access to a meaningful number of sets.
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...the canary is already chirping. Check out ebay sales prices for unopened mint set shipping envelopes. An envelope containing 5 sets in an unopened 1970s era mint shipping envelope sold for $140. Now, adjusting for inflation, even this price makes the sets losers- but still, people are paying double or more for a chance to find that 2 or 3% nice coin. I think the low percentage of nice coins will hold the sets down in price from where they otherwise would be- but I think it's imperative to chop up every mint set you get your hands on. the quicker they are all gone, the sooner we can break this false notion that collectible coins are all dated 1964 and before.


I think part of the reason that these sets are priced so low is that there is a common perception that the sets are picked over on the market. This is mostly just not true. There are a few batches you see around that are slightly to heavily picked over but these are the exceptions. Most sets traded at wholesale have only been checked for major varieties and a few specific high grades like cameos. Where it used to take a hundred sets to find a Gem it would now take 120.

The mint sets do seem to be just disappearing and fewer and fewer are seen. The price doesn't change because there are more sets than buyers.

The biggest reason for the current low prices is the recession of '08 which strained many peoples' finances and forced them to liquidate and slow their buying. Maybe if the economy turned around with some vigor it would be enough to trigger a price increase since it would improve demand slightly and reduce supply dramatically.

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I think the low percentage of nice coins will hold the sets down in price from where they otherwise would be- but I think it's imperative to chop up every mint set you get your hands on.


When the last of the mint sets are gone there won't even be ugly unattractive examples available except for the coins in circulation. Many of these will be VG or F at best so most collectors will stretch to buy chUnc that has been set aside.

Anyone collecting moderns would be well advised to have their sets mostly complete before there is any substantial improvement in the economy. There just aren't enough coins set aside to supply much of a market. This is invisible bwecause of the existence of cheap mint sets.

I find it somewhat insulting that mint sets trade at close to face value. Even poor or picked over sets have a few decent coins in them. I don't understand what people are thinking and why they'll be surprised when the prices suddenly go higher.
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while we are waiting on the pics can I hijack the hijack and I was wondering what years would be good to skwerl away
the years I like are 70,87,96
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@1962penny, You would be best off contacting basebal21 or FadeToBlack for the BU ones. The proofs are on ebay but sometimes they are overpriced. Not sure if fade got any silvers but wouldn't hurt to ask. I got like all my BU's from baseball, they were like MS-63 and up.

thanks solotime... I'll look into, although I don't have a big budget, so we'll see
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while we are waiting on the pics can I hijack the hijack and I was wondering what years would be good to skwerl away
the years I like are 70,87,96


I personally like just about every date. But the important thing isn't as much about the date or the number of sets you can find as it is the quality of the individual coins. This especially applies to dates that generally come poor such as all the Ike dates other than the '77 and '78.

I'd suggest that if you set aside just the nice coins from the sets that can be bought at close to face value your expenditure will be low and you'll have trading stock to acquire the coins from the more expensive sets.
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to be honest- the gold rush is going to first hit the 1968-1970 sets due to the 40% clad half dollar. that coin will pick up steam next year.
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@1962penny, He charges like 3 or 4 per a coin. It's better to buy a lot at once. I'm speaking of basebal.
I know it might not seem a lot but once you order a lot it's costy. Like all ikes I needed costed more than 100 dollars.
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I find it somewhat insulting that mint sets trade at close to face value. Even poor or picked over sets have a few decent coins in them. I don't understand what people are thinking and why they'll be surprised when the prices suddenly go higher


Thank you! I have been saying this for years. People, including many here, keep pounding that tired broken drum of "mint sets are not worth a darn. Too many out there. Picked over wah waah wah wah"

If there were a way to truly find out, I would be willing to bet that at least half of the mint sets issued through the 90's are no longer there. They have been cut up. That does not mean that the remainder are junk. Far from it. As mentioned there are plenty of hoards in estates and the like out there. The stash my dad had was impressive even after my sister stole who knows how much of it for drug money.

So yeah, you guys keep thinking that and keeping the price down. Just gives me the opportunity to snag as many as I can before the truth overwhelms the BS out there and the prices go up.
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Now I know some might be wondering why I posted the barber. But that's just the bonus coin I got for buying the ike.
Was 22 dollars for a silver proof ike and the Barber half dollar.

Thanks @jbuck!

Now I'm trying to catch up on the conversation you guys are having, lol.

One thing I did notice is the ikes aren't easy to find in high grades without marks on them.
Some of the ones I placed inside my album were so nice but they would only grade like ms-64 or 63.
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to be honest- the gold rush is going to first hit the 1968-1970 sets due to the 40% clad half dollar. that coin will pick up steam next year.


Very interesting.

I'd love to hear an elaboration on this (or will qwait for the article).

Are you expecting increased interest due to the 50th anniversaty of the half? The '68 and '69 are pretty tough to find nice. The '70 is easy to find nice but also appears as a spectacular Gem and PL and these aren't so easy.
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If there were a way to truly find out, I would be willing to bet that at least half of the mint sets issued through the 90's are no longer there. They have been cut up. That does not mean that the remainder are junk. Far from it. As mentioned there are plenty of hoards in estates and the like out there.

So yeah, you guys keep thinking that and keeping the price down. Just gives me the opportunity to snag as many as I can before the truth overwhelms the BS out there and the prices go up.


I figure the most heavily destroyed sets like the '69 is getting over about 65% gone. The '86 would be one of the least destroyed and about 35% gone.

A lot of people have always told me my estimates are too high but in the last year a few dealers have suggested there are actually more destroyed sets. It's very difficult to get a good feel for this but there have been periods in the past that almost no sets were destroyed because almost no one collected the coins and the sets were worth more as sets than individual coins.

One way to see is to just count the number of nice fresh original 1969 mint sets that come into shops and the percentyage of '69 sets in each deal. Back in the '80's there would be lots of these and 3% of the sets would be '69. Now a shop can buy several batches of mint sets without a single '69 being included because most have already been sold onto the market and destroyed. Of course a few of these sets are being pulled off the market by people like me and you but the vast majority are being carved up and the coins spend and/ or the silver melted.

There's a very steady demand that destroys about 10,000 of these sets (of every date) a year to make denomination sets for the big retailers. This demand just keeps slowly increasing and one of these years there just won't be 10,000 of each date coming on the market. The big retailers will simply bid the coins higher. These guys demand quality and accept only about the best 75% of the coins from sets. With tough coins like the '76 type I they only want the best 50%. The coins just won't be there in most cases because the coins were in the sets and the sets will be gone. Higher prices aren't going to be sufficient to satisfy the demand so the price wil;l have to go high enough to force the demand to shrink. What I'm saying here is that someone willing to pay the currfent retail on a decent '76 type I ($3.00) isn't going to stop demanding the coin just because it goes to $12. Nine dollars more just isn't that big of deal to most buyers. If you can't find rolls (you can't) and you can't find mint sets (the day is coming) and you still want a nice attractive coin then you are going to have to pay whatever supply and demand dictates. As long as "supply", the mint sets, is available the price won't go anywhere.

As the economy continues to recover the overhang of sets will be drawn down so the time may be at hand.
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