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How Can This Be MS-66 ?

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-CANADI...em19e3da61e3

It looks terrible to me !
I have ones that look far better than that !
What's up with that ?
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That's just the toning on the coin.

I do agree that they aren't great looking coins though.
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Although toning can have an effect on eye appeal and thus grading, it isn't as large of a consideration as contact marks and other after-strike flaws. So even though it may have unattractive toning, it can still be a high grade coin.
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 Posted 11/11/2013  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NathanASE to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yup, just toning, shouldn't hurt the grade really at all. I think the first one posted (PCGS one) has attractive toning.. Definitely looks like a nice 66 to me.. But then again I like colorful toning. Personally I'd take a toned one over a blast white one.. And even pay a premium if I find it attractive.

The other one looks ok but the toning isn't as nice.. To dark with no colors.
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 Posted 11/11/2013  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCoinHunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree on the toning. Coins with attractive toning can be very interesting and often take a premium. It makes them unique. I've sold coins over book for that exact reason.
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 Posted 11/11/2013  8:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadtech to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
how about this one then ?
it's the only one I have on hand now...
it is not toned, pic looks like it cause white balance was wrong.

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 Posted 11/11/2013  8:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCoinHunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The reverse looks a little banged up. Also looks like a PL and not an MS coin.
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maybe is PL, I'm not sure, inherited it.
my uncle had it in a dark blue cardboard 6 coin holder
but I don't know why.
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It's pretty tough to make an accurate call on coins graded this high just on photos
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so it is at least a fairly high grade then ?
any estimates ?
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 Posted 11/11/2013  8:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadtech to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
oh wait, jdmern you meant the ebay ones ?
or mine ?
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If the mark on the nose is as distracting in hand as it is in the photo you have a $20 coin.If not you'll understand the significance of jdmerm's reply.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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The ICCS ms66 is most likely almost flawless in regards to contact marks on the coin's surface (toning doesn't matter).

While the PCGS ms66, is more than likely an 'ICCS ms65' due to some hit marks on the surface, but because PCGS rewards a coin for toning, they bumped the grade up to an ms65.

Your coin however seems to have plenty of small hit marks and ICCS in my opinion would grade it as ms63.(I don't think it's a PL).

No disrespects intended, but to the experienced eye, the difference in grade between your coin and both the PCGS and the ICCS coins is very apparent.
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They aren't great looking coins but their technical grade would be correct.
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 Posted 11/11/2013  10:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdmern to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
canadtech, yes I was talking about the ebay ones
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