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Dollar Bills By Year 2020?

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but will use any argument it can to make sure big business keeps its profits. And there is a company that stands to lose if the dollar bills go, so they won't go


Big business would take a hit for sure, but ultimately they would just pass the cost of retrofitting machines onto the consumer.

Its really the public and small businesses that would be taking the hit. The guy who owns 1000s of vending machines wont be happy but could get the change made, the guy who owns 1 or 2 however and just makes a little extra with them either wouldnt be able to afford the change or wouldnt want to pay for it. Theyre the ones that would get driven out of the market.

In the end though it would all come out of the consumers pocket. Nothing would actually be saved, costs would just be passed on taking more money out of your pocket when the government makes money printing one dollar bills in the first place.

Dollars cost 5.4 cents to print, thats about 96 cents of profit for every bill they run off the press. A dollar coin is about 19 cents. You can make the same bill basically 4 times before theres any savings over the coin. The "savings" by the switch is highly exaggerated and may actually be a negative when you factor in how much transportation costs would be increased. No one ever brings up that part of the math equation for what "savings" there really is. Make no mistake transporting dollar coins is much more expensive than dollar bills.
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Waiter/Waitress depends on those dollar bill tips! It is easier for them to carry and so like other types of business, but the future will change it whether people prefer it or not.

The day that no more Cash business is the day most people will pay taxes like the rest of the other people. The government would like it.
Who else would like that? Banks offering cash back 1-5% per transaction, look at the commercials having people tapping the CC to the scanner, most online business only uses CC, I have to agree with just carl, the next generation don't care much about coins or bills, that credit one day will dominate 90% of all transactions, and dollar bills and coins will be a thing of the past. A lot like stamps.
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Dollars cost 5.4 cents to print, thats about 96 cents of profit for every bill they run off the press. A dollar coin is about 19 cents. You can make the same bill basically 4 times before theres any savings over the coin. The "savings" by the switch is highly exaggerated and may actually be a negative when you factor in how much transportation costs would be increased.


18 lifespan for any bill means 72 months for those 4 bills which is 6 year life expectancy for them all.

50 year life expectancy for the $1 coin. almost 9 times the life for the same cost of the 4 bills. as MORE security features much be placed on bills then ost increases to DEVELOP those security features, and the $1 bill still hasn't changed yet. CRH's are currently the only people using coins and maybe some times flags go up at places when large lots are spent. I always get asked where I get so many dollar or half-dollar coins and I tell the store I am spending they that I get them from the bank. I doubt any worry really exists from fake $1 or else the bill would have been changed long ago to match all the Monopoly money that the Mint makes now.

For transporting them, they would be like most other coins. Businesses would keep them to refill their change dispensing machines and cash drawers and not deposit them so once they get into circulation they stay there in some fashion. That is how everyone is finding NIFC Pres dollars as it is now because they are being circulated.
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Dollars cost 5.4 cents to print, thats about 96 cents of profit for every bill they run off the press. A dollar coin is about 19 cents. You can make the same bill basically 4 times before theres any savings over the coin.
Wrong. Seigniorage income derived from notes is from interest payments on Treasury securities held to collateralize the notes. In other words, when they print a new note to replace a worn out note, it does not count. This is a problem for the one dollar note; continual reprints consume its initial profit.


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The "savings" by the switch is highly exaggerated and may actually be a negative when you factor in how much transportation costs would be increased. No one ever brings up that part of the math equation for what "savings" there really is. Make no mistake transporting dollar coins is much more expensive than dollar bills.
Probably because the difference is insignificant. It is not cheap having to constantly ship worn notes in and new notes out. Coins are heavy, but they are shipped only a fraction of the time over their life.

Using this flawed transportation argument means we should get rid of all coins and have paper only.

Besides, we all know that electronic transactions are going to win eventually.
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we should get rid of all coins


bite your tongue! don't give them any ideas!

When electronic transactions become the method, and since everything spent by a person will be tracked to them, then those institutions that exist now should be replaced with a government issued electronic card. no need for all those rip-off places banks when moeny can be controlled by the gov't using its own electronic services.
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I voted other

For research purposes, search the forum for where jbuck and I both asked the Canadians about the weight issue being a problem with dollar coins. It does not matter what we want to be true - the weight issue is an actual problem.

So I do not want to see the dollar bill gone.

The economics, though I believe slanted and not taking into account the costs the private sector will have to absorb to switch over to dollar coins (in other words the people get the raw end of the deal anyway), seem to say the dollar coin is a better choice to save money. And I say this while we just had to 10,000 + for ONE night for the first lady to have a night in a motel and 250.00 taxpayer dollars per plate for the evening meal in the White House is *supposedly* not uncommon.

So let's compromise. Make a dollar bill out of polymer - proven to last longer, and make some dollar coins for those who want them.

Or the smart thing...
Switch back to a PM base, reevaluate the actual value of a dollar by making a new dollar that is worth, let's say 10 of the old ones, and allow the old ones simply to die their natural death in circulation.

Excuse me now so I can go find a winged horse to be ready to fly to D.C. to congratulate them personally when the problem is actually solved in a logical manner like this. By the time I find the horse, I figure it will only take D.C. 42 more years to get the problem solved.
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