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 Posted 04/05/2015  11:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silveroid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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If u admire Superman like I do that is the reason to buy the genuine coins and other collectibles such as comics..stay with what interests you...Why bother buying coins you arent really interested in?


That is absolutely correct.
The single "bottom lined" difference between RCM series and replicas, that RCM minted them under license. So the big money flow involved here, and only this might trigger RCM to defend it's production, no value, no art no collectability - just the tool to make a money with it - the same way we are looking on them (these series).
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 Posted 04/06/2015  12:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cassidy77 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I dont understand your logic silveroid. You buy genuine superman coins you arent really interested in and now you are trying to legitimize the fake Superman coins that are undermining and ripping off honest collectors ......Ive had enough of wading through fake coinage also known as counterfeits to have any sympathy for these weak arguments......are you serious? or is this some kind of apres april fools joke you are playing here? Fake coins out of China have hurt our market big time and is part of the reason coin buyers are afraid of ebay...Silveroid ..are u really sure you want to promote fake Superman coins as an alternative to your idea of the evil and expensive RCM plot to make genuine original pop art coins? this is how you sound to me.....Think about it.....we are all getting hurt by replicas....now we are getting used to them...it doesn't mean we have to collect them too..but then ..each to his own..If you think Superman replicas are the way to go Silveroid then who am I to pass judgement?
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 Posted 04/06/2015  01:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silveroid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No, no way.
Replicas are fake. And I sorry if sounded like promoted them.

Just tried to express, that some genuine items, they are "kind of fake" too. They substitute, takes our resources, giving feeling that we own something valuable....and it's not.

But, for everything there is a market, buyers / sellers and collectors.
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 Posted 04/06/2015  05:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Northerncoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Just tried to express, that some genuine items, they are "kind of fake" too. They substitute, takes our resources, giving feeling that we own something valuable....and it's not.


Everything is like that though lol, take a car, it has what, $1000 worth of raw material but they charge $15k to millions of $ depending on the car.

Its all how its assembled / packaged and marketed that make people want to pay more then the raw material value.

Plus most people cant build a car from raw materials them selves.

Same with coins, can you mine your own silver? Can you refine your own silver? Can you make you own dies? Can you strike your own coins? Can you market your own coins? most people cant so this is why you pay the premium for something "Of Value"

Problem comes when there is too much of a good thing which devalues the product.

If I had one potato and 10 guys that have not eaten in 2 days, that potato is worth a high premium, if I have 10k potatoes then after the first few potatoes were sold , the rest would be less in demand / less premium.

Ugh I am rambling, there is a lesson here, don't drink and type.
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 Posted 04/06/2015  06:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silveroid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well... hope that they smart to not overuse the Superman theme in 2015.
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 Posted 04/06/2015  08:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Northerncoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Well... hope that they smart to not overuse the Superman theme in 2015.


They will do another Superman themed coin/s since they sold out of all the last two batches, is this smart? maybe to them it is as far as profits are concerned, but to the heath of the NCLT market, then no its not smart, but I don't think there is any stopping it now, companies main goals are profits and mostly they only look short term, worry about long term later.

Same as shipping your industries to china or some other foreign country , its all about more profits, be damned if it hurts the economy long term. When you take away $30 to $40 an hour jobs and replace them with minimum wage jobs at tim horton/ macdoalds etc, the economy cant help but slide into the crapper.

Its all about profit , common sense be damned, this is the way it is now or maybe has always been this way.




THE YIN AND YANG OF GLOBAL ECONOMIC HEGEMONY


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The USA and China are the Yang and Yin of economic hegemony. If you studied the symbol you'll come to realize that within strength there is weakness, in weakness strength; in success the seed of failure, in failure the seed of success, and so on. In global economics, the USA has been working through the World Bank and the IMF, (International Monetary Fund), for many decades to wield their economic influence as a complementary tool to the USA military might. Together, these two institutions, tools used by the USA, have been instrumental in the USA's global economic conquest.
In year's past the USA was a role model. It once was also an economic and military power to be feared. The USA is no longer an economic power to be feared. It has given away to China, (outsourced), its most decent-paying manufacturing and union jobs. Now the USA's economic strength is waning.




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There's more to be concerned about, if you are an American. China has been accumulating gold bullion hand over fist while the USA and the G-7 have been liquidating their stockpiles of gold bullion. Why has China built its storehouse of gold bullion? Remember, the Chinese are clever, long-term strategic thinkers. All that gold bullion is likely to displace the US dollar as safe haven with a gold-backed Yuan to take that global seat of economic power.
The contrast between the USA and China is striking. On the one hand you have the "exceptional" Americans pushing their weight around; on the other, the polite Chinese extending a helping hand and a loan without demanding austerity programs or privatization of infrastructure and natural resources. These two countries have become the Yang and Yin, respectively, of global economic powerhouses.



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04/06/2015 09:02 am
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 Posted 04/06/2015  11:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silveroid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree, Northerncoins

This is the point that I tried to hit, while said, that there is small difference between fakes and genuine....cause they flood everything with originals, and they sold good (with or without demand).

Stamp! And we have 2013 batch
Stamp! Stamp!! and 2014 came out
...and 2015

Let it be....with attractive design I will be interested in 1/10 oz Platinum Superman coin for $300
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 Posted 04/06/2015  11:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cassidy77 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wouldnt call myself a collector of NCLT coins in general.....I prefer numismatic coins and ancient coins. NCLT coins are produced to satisfy sentimental needs of the population to commemorate events, ideas ,icons of popular culture and as well themes of nature and human endeavour. With such a huge range of expression to cover it is no wonder that most coin collectors will be enticed to buy some NCLT coins for personal reasons. This has slowly but surely become a worldwide business of all the major mints and the annual output of designs and technology has become staggering.......its good business as well ..when you take an ounze of silver currently worth about 17 USD and turn it into a product that is worth 100.00 or more that is pretty good business..This can easily engender a cynical view which is reflected in comments in this forum......I think you have to look at this NCLT phenomenon as ART on coins..It can only be compared to the Art market where originality always commands the best price and where fakes abound. The RCM has devoted itself to producing Art these days. The Superman theme has succeeded because it has a proven brand of 75 years and it will continue to outshine most of the RCM NCLT over the years....This in itself is a good enough reason to invest in it despite the proliferation of fakes. But I will still say that interest level is the only reason to invest in coins because that will keep the coins in your collection longer.....Those people who are offering 2014 Superman gold at slightly above issue price are giving others the opportunity to get in on the low 2000 mintage and in another year it will be very interesting to see how much these gold coins will cost..Even if there is another 2015 Superman release it will still increase in value along with the 2013 gold and provide even more incentive to get the new 2015 Superman series which will almost certainly materialize.....
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 Posted 04/06/2015  12:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheCoinHunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One can say that the RCM doesn't play nice with collectors and is only interested in profit. Is it true? Somewhat. Although the mint has dropped mintages for many coins (due to collector and market pressure), it also keeps adding numbers to more popular mintages. Adding 2,500 coins to the venetian glass Frog and the Turtle as does adding the 3rd year issue of Superman proves the point and reasons as to why the mint fails miserably in keeping at least a portion of the investment aspect of the NCLT market healthy. The positive side is that the mint also spends a lot of money promoting the hobby. And albeit somewhat for selfish reasons, it still keeps the hobby and coins publicly visible. As someone mentioned above, NCLT coins are commemorative works of art. Admittedly some better than others. Buy them because you like them and not because you think they will make you rich. If by some chance you turn a profit, bonus.
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 Posted 04/29/2015  02:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SolarPenny to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Has anyone heard of fakes being made for the 2014 gold superman coin? The only one I was aware of was the replica one that is significantly bigger than the original. I sold my gold coin a few weeks back and the buyer seemed very skeptical of my coin saying that the Chinese are making fakes of them with the same mint packaging and fake COAs and everything. I bought mine right from the mint so I wasn't too worried about it but I tried looking up some information on them when I got home and couldn't seem to find anything.
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 Posted 04/29/2015  06:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Northerncoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Every superman coin has been faked right down to the superman lenticular. These are not "replicas" it can only be a replica or copy if it says copy or replica on the coin itself, if not it a "fake".

First I had heard of them faking the packaging and Coa, but nothing surprises me anymore.
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 Posted 04/29/2015  07:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yingyang to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

SolarPenny

I would be wary about the buyer ,he may had bought the gold fake and will switch the gold with yours and say you sold him a fake.




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 Posted 04/29/2015  07:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Northerncoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ya I agree with YY , just another reason why I wont sell my 2013 superman gold on ebay. As much as I don't like slabbing "New" NCLT , having it authenticated with a grading company is probably a good idea with these high value coins.
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 Posted 04/29/2015  08:23 am  Show Profile   Check omxfl's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add omxfl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
^
There have been fake holders on ebay as well. Of course, you can check the barcode, but who actually does that...
As a rule of thumb, only buy expensive coins from a trustworthy seller (actually read the feedback comments, don't just take a 99.9% positive rate for granted), even if it means paying a little extra.
The slabbing can be expensive and in most cases devalues your coin. A 69 coin typically sells for the same or less than a coin in OGP. Anything lower than 69 and it will cost you dearly...
I also noted from my own experience that slabbed coins are more likely to develop milk spots. Hence, I don't buy these.
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 Posted 04/29/2015  10:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SolarPenny to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I didn't sell it on ebay, I sold it locally and haven't heard from the guy for about 3 weeks since so I don't think he would be able to switch it now. When I was selling him the coin that's when he was really looking closely and thinking it may have been a fake. I have seen the replica gold coins but the diameter is closer to 38 mm, I haven't seen any that are 27 mm, are those ones out there as well? Maybe he was referring to the real coin being swapped out with fakes because I can't seem to find any information saying that they have started faking the boxes and COAs to go with them.
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